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2005/07/29 18:21:31 (permalink)
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Anyone Scottish here


I have just sold a motorcycle on ebay

the buyer is in Kirkwell , oarkney (!) , and he would like to send a carrier in to collect the thing , cash on collection

He has asked me if it would be OK if he pays in Scottish notes

I have refused on the grounds that I am not familiar with the notes , therefore in no postition to know whether they are genuine notes or fakes

I have asked him if he can send English notes , and he says he is not sure if the Scottish banks carry them ?

Come to think of it , why would they if Scottish notes are the exact equivilant ?

Does anyone know for sure (whether Scottish Banks carry english notes ? ) ?

Many thanks

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    Springy
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/29 18:26:14 (permalink)
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    If his bank has a branch in England he could just collect the money there. I'm a Royal Bank Of Scotland customer and whenever I get cash from the bank down here it's English notes.
    I'm sure if he asked his bank they would be able to get them.
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/29 18:29:45 (permalink)
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    I used to live in tain and they regularly had lots of english notes,pretty much luck of the draw what u were given up there!
    Banks down here have no probs taking jock notes and they had no probs with english notes in tain.
    Is it just because u dont know what they look like??
    If so u could ask the courier to meet u at a bank and get the bank to check the notes before u release the bike.
    Better safe than sorry if u are unsure mate!

    (what did u sell?)
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/29 18:40:36 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Dazsw

    Scottish notes are not actual legal tender but everywhere accepts them anyway except racist people.

    Just accept the Scottish notes mate.



    Thanks for all the replies

    Nothing to do with racism (did you read the initial post ? )

    It's just that I am not familiar with 'em ! so would not be in a position to tell if they are fakes or not

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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/29 18:42:21 (permalink)
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    you can be charged by police,for not accepting a note that has the words pounds sterling on it.

    In the uk if it has this it is legal.

    i know an english petrol pump attendent that got charged by the police for wasting police time, when a scots customer was refused petrol with scots note.


    The police said i"t has pounds sterling on it, r u thick to the attendent," he was then charged by the police

    this applies to notes from the nothern ireland, as well, legal in all parts of uk.cos it has the words pounds sterling on them. I deal with cash everyday and must accept all uk notes
    and ripped ones too, as the bank will replace them for a compny/shop
    post edited by scottishstu - 2005/07/29 18:45:32
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/29 18:44:48 (permalink)
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    He shouldn't have been charged as Scottish notes are technically not legal tender. Google it if you don't believe me.
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/29 18:46:24 (permalink)
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    the words pound sterling is the law in the uk, trust me.

    after checking the law, it appears that noone has the legal right, scots notes r not legal in scotland!!!!!!!
    because the 3 scottish banks have no right to make their own notes, not the royalmint.
    and english notes r not legal in scotland.!!!!!!!!! following the same thus rules.

    the law was changed in 1981.

    inh genral, all business and folks should accept each others notes in the uk, it s been working well for years.it appears

    Sandy Macnair writes to the Scotsman about his difficulty in spending Scottish banknotes in England. He complains that English shop staff are "often not aware that Scottish notes are legal tender." Well, Scottish notes are not legal tender in England. Perhaps surprisingly, Scottish banknotes are not legal tender in Scotland either! Not only that, Bank of England notes are not legal tender in Scotland:
    Scottish bank notes are not legal tender in Scotland. English bank notes of denomination less than 5UKP were legal tender in Scotland under Currency and Bank Notes Act 1954. Now, with the removal of BoE 1UKP notes, only coins constitute legal tender in Scotland. English bank notes are only legal tender in England, Wales, The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.
    Today, in fact, no banknote whatsoever (including Bank of England notes!) qualifies for the term 'legal tender' north of the Border and the Scottish economy seems to manage without that legal protection.


    so it appear we scots can refuse english notes and vice versa, but in a normal practical business britain, this does not happen

    post edited by scottishstu - 2005/07/29 19:18:05
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/29 20:08:38 (permalink)
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    "All Scottish banks have the right to print their own notes. Three choose to do so: The Bank of Scotland (founded 1695), The Royal Bank of Scotland (founded 1727) and the Clydesdale Bank (owned by National Australia Bank). Only the Royal Bank prints pound notes. All the banks print 5,10,20 and 100 notes. Only the Bank of Scotland and Clydesdale Bank print 50 pound notes.

    Scottish bank notes are not legal tender in Scotland. English bank notes of denomination less than £5 were legal tender in Scotland under Currency and Bank Notes Act 1954. Now, with the removal of BoE £1 notes, only coins constitute legal tender in Scotland. English bank notes are only legal tender in England, Wales, The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. In Scotland, 1 pound coins are legal tender to any amount, 20ps and 50ps are legal tender up to 10 pounds; 10p and 5ps to 5 pounds and 2p and 1p coins are legal tender to 20p (separately or in combination). 2 pounds coins and (if you can get hold of one) 5 pound coins are also legal tender to unlimited amounts, as are gold coins of the realm at face value (in Scotland at least).

    Northern Irish notes are not legal tender anywhere, a situation similar to Scottish notes. Whether Scottish notes are legal tender or not does not change alter their inherent value but it dictates their legal function. Credit cards, cheques and debit cards are not legal tender either but it doesn't stop them being used as payment. Only a minuscule percentage of Scottish and British trading is carried out using legal tender. Just because something is not legal tender certainly doesn't imply it's illegal to use.

    The lack of a true legal tender in Scotland does not cause a problem for Scots Law which is flexible enough to get round this apparent legal nonsense, as was demonstrated some time ago when one local authority tried to refuse a cash payment (in Scottish notes) on the grounds it wasn't "legal tender", but lost their case when the sheriff effectively said that they were obliged to accept anything which was commonly accepted as "money", and that should their insistence on "legal tender" have been supported, it would have resulted in the bill being paid entirely in coins, which would have been a nonsense; stopping short of saying that the council would have been "cutting off their nose to spite their face", but seeming to hint at it.

    The definition of legal tender is something which is acceptable as payment of a debt. If you pay using legal tender, the other person has no recourse to chase you for payment. As part of the Skye Road Bridge tolls protest, people have paid in small coins using the greatest number of small denomination coins which constituted legal tender. Using entirely 1ps for instance would not have been legal tender and could have been refused. (This definition is a simplification, see the Currency section of "Halsbury's Laws of England" for a full legal definition.) "

    There you go!
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/29 22:44:52 (permalink)
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    For some reason a lot of people in England won't accept Scottish notes, simply because they have never seen them before. But as is written above, your buyer just has to request English notes at his bank and he should get them no problem
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/29 23:03:46 (permalink)
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    loads of places here (liverpool) won't accept scottish notes .. loads of fakes flying around . I'd insist on english pounds mate
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/30 01:38:11 (permalink)
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    Likewise when any English come up to scotland I would encourage any scottish shopkeeper to refuse to take their english notes
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/30 03:08:39 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: hairyarse

    Likewise when any English come up to scotland I would encourage any scottish shopkeeper to refuse to take their english notes

    Obviously you are a knob then!
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/30 03:11:21 (permalink)
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    thats bollox that scottish notes arnt legal tender. they are punds stirling somply issued by the bank of scotland instead of the bank of england....and yes a scottish bank should be able to give you english pounds if you ask, jsutt he same as if he send you scottish notes and you take to bank, they will change them. one of my sources once emailed me aksing why i sent him fake money, was scottish 20 quid notes lol.

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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/30 03:12:35 (permalink)
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    "Whether Scottish notes are legal tender or not does not change alter their inherent value but it dictates their legal function. Credit cards, cheques and debit cards are not legal tender either but it doesn't stop them being used as payment. Only a minuscule percentage of Scottish and British trading is carried out using legal tender. Just because something is not legal tender certainly doesn't imply it's illegal to use."

    from: http://www.siliconglen.com/Scotland/1_7.html

    also,

    " You can spend Scottish notes in England and they are exactly equivalent to their English counterpart on a one for one commission free basis. If changing Sterling abroad, do not accept an inferior rate for changing Scottish notes than is being offered for English notes as the two are equivalent. You are very unlikely to encounter problems spending Scottish money in England, I did it for many years and was never refused."


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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/30 04:45:08 (permalink)
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    Hi bro, this is all complete nonsense, scottish, northern Irish, welsh and English bank notes are all legal tender in all 4 nations, and you will be quite safe accepting payment from orkney, these people have never heard of crimes never mind committed one, there is nothing there but sheep and fishermen, a few oil terminals, they all leave there houses and cars unlocked there is NO crime.

    I see loads of English notes here in scotland, and no one would ever refuse them, especially a bank.

    Your quite safe im certain.

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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/30 13:42:23 (permalink)
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    Takes one to know one
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/30 13:49:49 (permalink)
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    The definition of legal tender is quite different from what is accepted as cash, Scottish and Irish notes are not legal tender anywhere, English notes are not legal tender in anywhere other than England and Wales, however all are forms of cash and all should be accepted as cash wherever you are in the UK.
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/30 14:03:30 (permalink)
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    for what it's worth, years ago a German bank refused to change some Scottish notes into DM, I can't remember what I did in this case.

    Another time a different German bank forced me to take a worse exchange rate for Scottish notes.

    I kicked up a fuss in both cases.

    But now I always change Scottish notes into English ones before coming back to Germany.



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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/30 15:28:47 (permalink)
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    Bought something off a Russian bloke who was just off a boat and he wouldn't take Scottish money because he said he couldn't get it changed into whatever it is they use once he got back home. I went to the Bank of Scotland and asked for English notes and was given them no problem. I expect the Orkney fella could easily do the same??
    post edited by footdee - 2005/07/30 15:29:23
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    RE: Anyone Scottish here 2005/07/30 16:01:17 (permalink)
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    I too have heard there are a lot of fake Scottish notes about and if you're not familiar with them them it's obviously going to be difficult for you to tell. I would either ask him to send a cheque and allow it to clear before the courier calls, get a bankers draft, paypal (which he could wait to do until the courier is with you and once you have an e-mail confirmation on the transaction which is normally straight away you can let the bike go....this is probably the better option if he doesn't trust handing over the money first and you don't trust his money)
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