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Dan Nukem
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2007/06/12 13:12:39 (permalink)
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Anyone in IT in Ireland getting worried?

Just wondering if anyone in the IT industry in Ireland is getting worried?

We've lost a lot of big companies to Poland including Dell last week, there are apparently talks of Emc and Intel now also.

What about Microsoft and Google?
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    PosterBoy
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    RE: Anyone in IT in Ireland getting worried? 2007/06/12 13:25:35 (permalink)
    Christ that's bad news for Limerick.
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    RE: Anyone in IT in Ireland getting worried? 2007/06/12 13:28:39 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: PosterBoy

    Christ that's bad news for Limerick.


    I reckon Cork has been the worst hit so far, but I think the **** is about to hit the fan now.
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    RE: Anyone in IT in Ireland getting worried? 2007/06/12 13:52:23 (permalink)
    Limerick hasn't got a lot else going for it at all though
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    RE: Anyone in IT in Ireland getting worried? 2007/06/12 14:03:59 (permalink)
    Why is this happening??
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    RE: Anyone in IT in Ireland getting worried? 2007/06/12 14:06:21 (permalink)
    I was wondering about this the other day - once India etc develop good service industries, what is the UK going to do?

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    RE: Anyone in IT in Ireland getting worried? 2007/06/12 14:38:51 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: DEAD_WEIGHT

    Why is this happening??


    Cheaper cost of living in Poland compared to Ireland which has rapidly grown. This means increased wage demand leading to increased business running costs. Go offshore and go nice and cheap with labour in places like Poland, Czech, etc.
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    RE: Anyone in IT in Ireland getting worried? 2007/06/12 15:29:20 (permalink)
    As said above.

    But in a round about way will it not mean that a lot of poles will stay there rather than come here if the jobs are there.

    I understand the situation over there as my Mother is Polish and I used to spend up to 10wks a year there and realise that if the work was there they would not come here as the wages here may be mroe but the cost of living is more here in comparision to there wages and cost of living there.

    All the things I say are what I have done and what I have found instead of what i have read.
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    RE: Anyone in IT in Ireland getting worried? 2007/06/12 15:33:19 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Cashman


    ORIGINAL: DEAD_WEIGHT

    Why is this happening??


    Cheaper cost of living in Poland compared to Ireland which has rapidly grown. This means increased wage demand leading to increased business running costs. Go offshore and go nice and cheap with labour in places like Poland, Czech, etc.


    Exactly what Cashman said, plus a multitude of other factors such as huge EU investment in Polish infrastructure, very high levels of education in Poland due to the lack of jobs, latest generation have learned English instead of Russian, location, the disparity in wages between the public and private sector in Ireland, causing possible industrial action and hefty inflation (over 5% inflation in Ireland atm).

    If the tax benefits these companies have are revoked, I reckon the economy could go into a slump, as many of the other services in some of these regions rely on the business of these multinationals.
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    RE: Anyone in IT in Ireland getting worried? 2007/06/12 15:37:29 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: s man

    As said above.

    But in a round about way will it not mean that a lot of poles will stay there rather than come here if the jobs are there.

    I understand the situation over there as my Mother is Polish and I used to spend up to 10wks a year there and realise that if the work was there they would not come here as the wages here may be mroe but the cost of living is more here in comparision to there wages and cost of living there.


    Some but not all. IT is generally highly skilled, or skilled at least.

    There are still plenty of people with little or no skills who could never get a job in Poland so they will keep coming here as long as they're not undercut by the romanians and bulgarians
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    RE: Anyone in IT in Ireland getting worried? 2007/06/12 15:46:13 (permalink)
    I own a small IT company and the simple reason that all these firms are pulling out in down to labour costs.
    This is very bad for employment in Ireland. Mind you Dell and Microsoft have tried this one before and ended up sending their support contracts back to Ireland and the UK again after a short stint in india. The reason behind this is that allow the cost of labour is a lot cheaper and saving themselves a bit of money their standards of customer service and technical support dropped dramatically which in turn ended up costing them money through a drop in sales and lost of existing clients. The reason that they are all trying it again is simply down to the fact that this is slowly becoming more acceptable to be put through to non uk support centres.

    This is a worrying time for workers but like I say the uk and ireland have been through this once before and survived. The Good news is that with this happening the government will inevitably start offering more support to local businesses to help to compensate for the larger companies pulling out. Also there are loads of other companies that will see that as their opportunity to get one over on the larger companies by offering all their support from ireland and the uk and therefore boosting their image with clients. In other words there will be other companies to replace the ones moving out and the likes of dell and microsoft will be back again soon after their clients start sueing them over support issues.

    If you do need any IT work done forget microsoft and dell and get in touch with Stevenson IT

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    RE: Anyone in IT in Ireland getting worried? 2007/06/12 15:54:41 (permalink)
    good post dave
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