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Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows??

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2003/12/29 01:41:31 (permalink)

Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows??

I have been doing barbell rows for ages but just find it hard to get a full range of motion, especially when I am pulling up at the top of the rep. I'm just thinking that having 1 knee on a bench while doing DB rows would hit the lats a bit better. I have never done them so would like some opinions.
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    shreklikedave
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    RE: Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows?? 2003/12/29 11:07:13 (permalink)
    The reason barbell rows are better is hat they use more of your muscles to stabalise your body thus stimulate more overall rowth.

    If you mean that you cant get the bar up to your stomach when you say you cant get a full range then it probably means you are using too much weight. If ou mean your somach gets in the way then you can use two dumbells and effectively do a barbell row with them (same body position)
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    RE: Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows?? 2003/12/29 13:31:40 (permalink)
    I have a box I lean on whilst doing them, at hip height.

    Just bend at the waist and lift, works well for me.

    D/B rows I mean.
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    RE: Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows?? 2003/12/29 14:54:48 (permalink)
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    Originally posted by franco78

    I have been doing barbell rows for ages but just find it hard to get a full range of motion, especially when I am pulling up at the top of the rep. I'm just thinking that having 1 knee on a bench while doing DB rows would hit the lats a bit better. I have never done them so would like some opinions.



    Question... Do you have the problem no matter how light the weight .. ie if you bend over and just use the bar can you pull it right up to your body?... if not the problem is physiological.. either your too tight or your shoulder blades are stopping you from pulling the bar up any further. Stretching could solve the former.. only an operation to make your shoulderblades smaller can solve the latter. The advantages of DB rows are that

    a) You don't use your lower back to support the weight as much... because obviously you've got your hand on the bench supporting your weight.
    b) Only one shoulder blade is being pulled back so there is less chance of your shoulderblades or muscle tightness etc restricting your ROM.

    Personally I think a) is the biggest advantage becuase unless you have extremely strong lumbar region it'll be holding back the amount of weight you can use to develop your back. I'm sure a lot of people will argue that this is a reason to continue doing BB rows until your back is strong enough.. but personally I think it will always be restricting your back development. The lats are a much bigger stronger muscle than the ones in your lumbar region will ever be and so I can't see how your lumbar region is ever going to be up to the task of supporting the weight of your upper body and the weight your lats could handle in a row.

    My advice would be to drop the weight on your BB row until you can perform a full ROM.. (assuming you can actually do so physically like I said above).. and supliment your lat work with DB rows supporting yourself on a bench. I'm sure you'll quickly find that your DB weight will surpass the weight you could do on BB rows (per arm of course!)


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    RE: Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows?? 2003/12/30 02:23:08 (permalink)
    Franco:

    I don't think you can say one is better than the other per se. They are both great back builders. I alternate between the two from cycle to cycle. Some guys find that after doing heavy deadlifts, dumbbell rows are easier to do. Dumbbell Rows also permit you a slightly greater range of motion.
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    RE: Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows?? 2003/12/30 11:10:15 (permalink)
    try bent over rows with dumbells
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    RE: Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows?? 2003/12/30 16:17:29 (permalink)
    Thanks guys. This requires further investigation on my next back day. Maybe it's too heavy a weight so that I'm not getting a full range of motion, but I don't feel comfortable doing them just because I'm leaning so far forward and my lower back is being worked as well. It's as if I can't give full attention to the rows when I'm trying to keep my lower back straight.
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    RE: Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows?? 2003/12/31 09:16:28 (permalink)
    how far over do you lean. I know from past posts that there are differing opinions on this but i would nbot try to have your upper body parralel with the floor, have about a 45 degree angle from your hips
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    RE: Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows?? 2003/12/31 14:50:27 (permalink)
    Yeah, I'm going parallel which is the way I was shown. I have seen other guys doing it at 45 degrees. I would assume the degree to which you lean will effect which part of your back you are working??

    Also, I see guys doing a little cheat where they pull up at the lower back at the same time they are pulling their arms up to get some extra momentum? I try not to do this, but there are some big guys at my gym who obviously think it's OK to do.
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    RE: Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows?? 2003/12/31 14:54:51 (permalink)
    I've just added dumbbell rows to my routine. Do you think that dumbbell rows are a good way to start or do you think I should swap out right now to barbell rows?
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    RE: Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows?? 2003/12/31 15:56:21 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by PsYoP78

    I've just added dumbbell rows to my routine. Do you think that dumbbell rows are a good way to start or do you think I should swap out right now to barbell rows?




    I think it's a matter of personal preference.. If you prefer DB rows and feel they are doing more for you back than BB.. then just make sure you are doing another exersize which will strengthen your lumbar region, (like Deadlifts), in your routine somewhere. There is of course nothing wrong with alternating between DB and BB rows on your back day... ie do BB rows one session and then DB rows on the next etc

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    RE: Are Dumbell rows any better than barbell rows?? 2003/12/31 16:54:21 (permalink)
    i would ditch them [both DB+BB rows] compeletly in favour of chins. if you had to do one or the other, i would say BB as you<read "I" can use more weight.

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