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Assisted suicide/euthanasia?

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2011/03/11 13:07:11 (permalink)

Assisted suicide/euthanasia?

Whats your position on it?

Should it be legal? illegal? what exemptions should there be? any experience with it?

Alot of discussion in Ireland regarding it recently with Dr Philip Nitschke in the the country.

http://www.irishtimes.com...217/1224290026783.html
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    Love/Hate
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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 13:18:45 (permalink)
    I work with an utterly amoral guy whose mother in law is 91 years old. She owns a lot of property worth at least £2m which he and his wife are in line to inherit.

    She's a little doddery now and she does suffer from mild dementia, but she still has a good quality of life. If euthanasia was legal in this country there is no doubt in my mind that this guy would try to convince her that she is a burden on the family, and that the decent thing for her to do would be to take her own life so he could get his hands on his inheritance.

    If someone is 'with it' mentally but has no quality of life whatsoever and has made it clear that they want to end it all, then they should legally be able to do so imo. It's just the above scenario that makes me hold back from advocating it outright.
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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 13:39:50 (permalink)
    Well i kno if i was a vegetable and couldnt end it myself, i hope someone would help me out. Ur choice, thats the problem with most of the world nowadays, our choices and freewill are being stolen from us more and more each passing day. Can see the future ending up like demolition man soon.
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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 14:28:23 (permalink)
    Love/Hate

    I work with an utterly amoral guy whose mother in law is 91 years old. She owns a lot of property worth at least £2m which he and his wife are in line to inherit.

    She's a little doddery now and she does suffer from mild dementia, but she still has a good quality of life. If euthanasia was legal in this country there is no doubt in my mind that this guy would try to convince her that she is a burden on the family, and that the decent thing for her to do would be to take her own life so he could get his hands on his inheritance.

    If someone is 'with it' mentally but has no quality of life whatsoever and has made it clear that they want to end it all, then they should legally be able to do so imo. It's just the above scenario that makes me hold back from advocating it outright.


    That type of situation is horrifying.

    That doctor was on the late late show (talk show). Alot of heated debate. One of the people in crowd basically said he and his wife (who has MS IIRC) had discussed it and decided it was an option for them. He only said it was an option and refused to discuss any further as he could face prosecution. When asked if he would assist her in anyway e.g. booking flights to X his answer was "i love my wife". Pretty heart breaking to be honest.



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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 16:51:28 (permalink)
    I believe there should be certain tastes to be condoned to be honest

    In cases where people to get to a vegetable like state, i believe it should be down to the family to decide to be honest. 

    or if someone wants to do it that way, they should be tested fully to make sure there are no other mental type of issues such as dementia, if they pass a certain set of tests then i believe it is down the person.
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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 16:58:21 (permalink)
    AshSparkz

    I believe there should be certain tastes to be condoned to be honest

    In cases where people to get to a vegetable like state, i believe it should be down to the family to decide to be honest. 

    or if someone wants to do it that way, they should be tested fully to make sure there are no other mental type of issues such as dementia, if they pass a certain set of tests then i believe it is down the person.


    Pretty much my thoughts

    I would hate to have no life

    When someone in my family had their 3rd stroke, I wish I could have decided to end her life, rather than visiting her every other day for 2 weeks before she died, couldnt talk, move, feed herself.... no point in living IMO, and there are people like that suffer every day
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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 17:13:08 (permalink)
    I would say where their been a un questionable amount of medical reasons///(cancer with only suffering left, mental. barin failure..kept alive on a machine)..then its a bit more black and white..but theirs a HUGE grey area.

    I do think its the right of the patient to legally ask for it when they are of sound mind because they know what way their ilness is going to go..bar some mirable cure.
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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 17:29:23 (permalink)
    I do like to think that we could work out a way of opting in to this, so that later in life unneccessary suffering could be avoided. I have relatives who are severely disabled both physically and mentally, along with family members who have have uncomfortable and slow degeneration before dying.

    Honestly if a relative asked me, i think i would do it to help them, and risk the consequences.

    Perhaps because of that, we are better off it not being legal so that only those who truly want to do it to help and put themselves at risk would do so?

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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 17:39:33 (permalink)
    Love/Hate

    I work with an utterly amoral guy whose mother in law is 91 years old. She owns a lot of property worth at least £2m which he and his wife are in line to inherit.

    She's a little doddery now and she does suffer from mild dementia, but she still has a good quality of life. If euthanasia was legal in this country there is no doubt in my mind that this guy would try to convince her that she is a burden on the family, and that the decent thing for her to do would be to take her own life so he could get his hands on his inheritance.

    If someone is 'with it' mentally but has no quality of life whatsoever and has made it clear that they want to end it all, then they should legally be able to do so imo. It's just the above scenario that makes me hold back from advocating it outright.

    TBH mate I'd say conning people with dementia out of their money can be done with or without assisted suicide laws. My great uncle was conned out of all his money, then murdered after being convinced to sign his house over to a complete stranger! Not a pleasant thought, but everyone's vulnerable in old age

    I'm pro assisted suicide


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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 18:10:26 (permalink)
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    bad thread


    Bad member.

    I feel in certain exceptional circumstances it should be allowed, the problem is who would judge when the circumstances were acceptable? I just feel that if legalised, it would be taken advantage of. 


    please, elaborate?



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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 18:12:41 (permalink)
    No pls don't. I'll delete the posts. If this becomes an arguement it will be locked

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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 18:47:48 (permalink)
    Not an easy one for me but I do beleive that if you are of sound mind and make that decision then it is your life, in many cases people are "artificially" kept alive for longer than nature would have intended anyway.

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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 21:52:49 (permalink)
    I'm for the idea personally.

    I lost my nan in 2009 to Alzhiemers & it was heartbreaking to watch.

    She slowly got worse over the course of her last year, she wasnt able to care for herself so was put into a home & it was so hard to see her when we visited to know she didnt really recognise us.
    She used to ask my parents where her sister & her mum had gone & when they were coming to pick her up.
    She asked after my Grandad (who had died in 1998) all the time she just had absolutley no quality of life barely ate & weighed a mere 4 stone when she was amitted to hospital & then it just got even worse.

    She was there for 4 weeks in the end before she finally passed away & as nasty as it sounds we were all thankful.
    She didnt know what was going on & was much better off finally going.

    It's so horrible to see & you wouldnt keep a pet alive through that sort of life.

    I'm definitely for it & would like to think that if my parents were going through a similair situation I'd be strong enough to help them out of their suffering.

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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/11 22:46:02 (permalink)
    I'm all for it tbh.

    Should I be in a position where I cannot look after myself, hooked up to machines wetting my pants and in constant pain/agony I would love a friend/family member to be able to help me on my way in a more comfortable manner that what was to come............

    I would also like to be able to have the choice not to deteriorate into that state in the first place and be able to take care of any loose ends, say whatever needs to be said and get all the teary heartwrenching stuff done whilst I was still semi able and then take the peacefull and hopefully pain free way out.

    Cannot imagine what people must go through currently not to be able to choose when and where if things had taken a turn for the worst, or for that matter any 'helpers'.
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    Re:Assisted suicide/euthanasia? 2011/03/12 07:59:10 (permalink)
    If i was incapacitated (i find the term "vegetable" a little crass) i would want to be around for as long as my family wanted me to be, it would be more important for them than me.

    Having lost many members of my family and done the bedside vigils several times now  - i found i needed them to be alive as long as possible, every munite was sacred, if asked to give consent for assisted suicide, i dont think i could make that call.

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