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2015/01/08 10:31:15 (permalink)
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BBC Documentary – prohormones

BBC Wales are making a programme which will be looking at prohormones and other sports supplements.
 
The Producer, Phil, has asked whether anyone from the forum might be able to chat to him about their experiences. He’s especially keen to speak about it to people based in Wales.
 
Would anyone be willing to help him out? Drop him an email on phil.williams01@bbc.co.uk
 

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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 10:54:58 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby The_Lone_Wolf 2015/01/08 11:05:30
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There's reps here who would have more to tell him but maybe he could drop by the forum to get more opinions.
 
Either way, I'm not sure if this will play out in our best interests. I think it would be best if people were well informed about these things, but if you just tell people you're selling anabolic steroids over the counter and leave it at that they're gona go ape**** and want to ban everything.
 
I'd tread carefully least it turns into another sensacionalist anti-steroid "documentary".
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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 11:12:16 (permalink)
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Couldn't agree more with Uriel here.
 
Possibly fuelled from the Wedinos initiative being shut down due to so many people submitting AAS/PH's for testing - that was meant to be a recreational drug health resource and was funded by local government in Wales.  
 
Unless the guy is a going to make a very balanced programme then I would avoid making contact at all costs as the end result will most likely end up seeing PH's demonized.  Unfortunately there's no way in knowing which way it will go 'til the final cut. 
 
Possibly the best route would be to have him enter the forums so he can see how in the right hands these compounds can actually be a utilized quite safely, not to mention the support and information that is provided by the MT community (especially when it comes to young 'bro's' looking to jump on PH's before they've even finished puberty).

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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 11:16:23 (permalink)
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Hi guys,
 
Understand why you would urge caution.
 
We will definitely be looking at the risks of prohormones, especially when they are used without proper research. But we are don't sensationalise and are obligated to make a balanced, fair and accurate programme in accordance with BBC guidelines. To be clear, this is a programme about the sports supplement industry (not just prohormones) and it definitely not going to be focused on bodybuilding or steroids.
 
If anyone wants to speak to me I can explain more, our conversation won't be reported and there is no obligation for anyone to go ahead with an interview for the programme. 
 
Phil
P.S. As an example of our journalism you guys might be interested to see a programme I recently made about concussion 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04pj7z3/week-in-week-out-rugbys-hidden-headache
post edited by BBCPhil - 2015/01/08 11:57:27
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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 11:42:47 (permalink)
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The fear isn't that this will be sensationalised, but that it would be turned into scaremongering.
This forum has seen researchers and producers come and go looking for a story. Documentaries on this topic have not been balanced, fair or accurate.
 
I would look at another area. Example, The rise of UKIP in Wales, despite the huge amount of Erdf and objective 1, funding Wales has received from Europe, Which has backed big infrastructure projects, created new jobs and supported social schemes.
post edited by indie - 2015/01/08 11:54:42
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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 11:59:54 (permalink)
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BBCPhil
Hi guys,
 
Understand why you would urge caution.
 
We will definitely be looking at the risks of prohormones, especially when they are used without proper research. But we are don't sensationalise and are obligated to make a balanced, fair and accurate programme in accordance with BBC guidelines. To be clear, this is a programme about the sports supplement industry (not just prohormones) and it definitely not going to be focused on bodybuilding or steroids.
 
If anyone wants to speak to me I can explain more, our conversation won't be reported and there is no obligation for anyone to go ahead with an interview for the programme. 
 
Phil
P.S. As an example of our journalism you guys might be interested to see a programme I recently made about concussion 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04pj7z3/week-in-week-out-rugbys-hidden-headache


I'm not from Wales, or even the UK, but if you have any questions about prohormones in general I'll do my best to answer them. You can PM me if you don't want to do it in the open forum. I'm sure other members will be glad to help too so as long the discussion can remain neutral and objective.
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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 12:30:37 (permalink)
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BBCPhil
Hi guys,
 
Understand why you would urge caution.
 
We will definitely be looking at the risks of prohormones, especially when they are used without proper research. But we are don't sensationalise and are obligated to make a balanced, fair and accurate programme in accordance with BBC guidelines. To be clear, this is a programme about the sports supplement industry (not just prohormones) and it definitely not going to be focused on bodybuilding or steroids.
 
If anyone wants to speak to me I can explain more, our conversation won't be reported and there is no obligation for anyone to go ahead with an interview for the programme. 
 
Phil
P.S. As an example of our journalism you guys might be interested to see a programme I recently made about concussion 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04pj7z3/week-in-week-out-rugbys-hidden-headache




"in accordance with BBC guidelines"-I believe the BBC have already done a documentary on steroids. If this documentary is to follow the same format then I doubt anybody on here will be on board because its all but fair and accurate. The steroid documentary basically picked out a handful of steroid abusers and then went on to scaremonger and explain that steroids are going to kill you and cause all types of health issues, it was completely one sided. Much like TLC's "Jodie Marsh on Steroids" which was also a joke.
 
Its always about dramatizing everything and scare mongering the public, and sadly the public are brain washed by it all. These types of programmes always fail to pick out sensible users, they also always seem to fail to mention that more people have health issues from over the counter drugs like ibuprofen and other legal stuff like fags and booze.
 
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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 13:39:33 (permalink)
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I concur with above comments, does he want people to be interviewed on camera. 
Not sure members will be willing to do that.
He would be better to read through this and other forums to get an idea of the responsible approach that is promoted by the body-building community.
In order for the program to have some "entertainment" value it is likely to lean towards the sensational.
 
Yes you give the example of concussion but pro hormones are a completely different subject where people are voluntarily partaking in these substances : not suffering an injury. 
 
I am not saying its not possible just that I think it will take a while to gain trust of any one planning to participate.    
I am not wanting to appear negative, just cautious.  

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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 14:01:06 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby chrissy.mcqueen 2015/01/14 13:33:58
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BBCPhil
Hi guys,
 
Understand why you would urge caution.
 
We will definitely be looking at the risks of prohormones, especially when they are used without proper research. But we are don't sensationalise and are obligated to make a balanced, fair and accurate programme in accordance with BBC guidelines. To be clear, this is a programme about the sports supplement industry (not just prohormones) and it definitely not going to be focused on bodybuilding or steroids.
 
If anyone wants to speak to me I can explain more, our conversation won't be reported and there is no obligation for anyone to go ahead with an interview for the programme. 
 
Phil
P.S. As an example of our journalism you guys might be interested to see a programme I recently made about concussion 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04pj7z3/week-in-week-out-rugbys-hidden-headache


Given what has happened in the states, and the general perception of "us" in the mainstream, I think perhaps "we" would not want to contribute, we are always scapegoated and blamed, and don't see the point of painting a target on us.
 
We get sh*t from everyone, even the recreational drug users ana alcoholics.
"Steroids, protein and creatine are bad for you" is the prevailing opinion from the general masses, no matter how much scientific evidence to the contrary.
 
The few documentaries recently have focused on the lowest common denominator, and interviewed people I too believe shouldn't be using.
Fools that know nothing of the subject matter.
 
If, and only if, it focuses on the supplement industry in general, and is used to point out the good AND the bad, it could be ok.
 
What is the brief of this documentary?
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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 14:42:18 (permalink)
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Hi Phil,
I'm not a prohormone or steroid user, although have been tempted by both during my training.  Used lots of other supplements and live in Cardiff.  Not sure if that's what you're looking for but if so I'm available for a chat.

Lifter, runner and founder of nuutrii, a free recipe analyses tool for athletes.
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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 15:47:54 (permalink)
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Agree with what's been mentioned above.  The steroid documentry was a farse.  It was in no way balanced or impartial.  I don't believe the BBC are capable of doing anything that is either balanced, impartial or without agenda. 

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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 15:56:37 (permalink)
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in for well-intentioned scaremongering
 

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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 21:19:33 (permalink)
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^ lol!

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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 21:49:26 (permalink)
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Im in if Jodie Marsh is doing it.
 
I cant stand her but at least ill know it will be a balanced Doc if she does :).
 
Still this is the Beeb and I expect a higher standard.
 
Phil you should keep it balanced supplements have helped a lot of people. If someone loses 3 stone on one of these programs on ITV everyone is jumping up and down. This is common with gym users supplementing with protein, oils/good fats cutting out sugars but all thats ever mentioned are silly terms like Roid rage and things like that.
 
The very words pro hormones strike fear in peoples minds but this is an industry in which people are trying to better themselves and all we ever get is bashed and branded.
 
Ive not had pro hormones but im certainly not against them as ive done my research and if its something I want to go ahead with in the future I will. I wont be swayed by mis information and scare mongering.
 
To the guys saying they wont take part above at least give it a go.
 
Hes asking for your side it may be a put up job but if no one goes for it they will get any old herbert like you see on these programs saying "yeah I have 5 different pro hormones together im now blind in 1 eye but im doubling up cos its summer coming innit"
 
 
 
 
 
 



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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 21:58:33 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2015/01/08 22:05:55
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Bad idea really,really bad idea. It will also include people who have no experience with aas or prohormones spouting their opinion as fact like they have a clue about it.
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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/08 22:04:57 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2015/01/08 22:06:32
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It was only on the news days ago that aas and ph are abused by users as young as 13. The sun also had a story last week about some d1ckhead jock who battered his girlfriend. Had nowt to do with him abusing the highly toxic and dangerous drug known as alcohol or their toxic relationship or him being a complete [link=mailto:w@nktard]w@nktard[/link]. No it was the ROOOIDZZZ. Plus it was all gleaned from this bints opinion on said ROOOIDZZZZZZZZZZZ
 
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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/10 10:11:15 (permalink)
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This is the best Documentary on AAS and the supplement industry that I have seen to date.
A bit old but still relevant.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPnT1ZSXfaU
 

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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/10 10:14:41 (permalink)
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Yes, good documentary. Not a lot of bias in there.
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Re: BBC Documentary – prohormones 2015/01/10 10:36:12 (permalink)
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Definitely one of the best AAS doc out there.
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Re: 2015/01/11 16:19:26 (permalink)
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Also bigger stronger faster, great film by Chris Bell and its on Netflix

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