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2009/08/01 12:58:55 (permalink)
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Bad teens 'not fault of parents'

Bad behaviour among teenagers is not the fault of parenting getting worse, say researchers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8177990.stm

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    dazc
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:01:57 (permalink)
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    rubbish imo.

    bad children, generally, in my experience come from parents that dont care.  i only have to look at the kids on my estate to see that.  13/14 year olds shouldnt be out roaming the streets at midnight.  most arent, the ones from families that arent bothered are. 
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:03:56 (permalink)
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    That research does not appear to address what could be the biggest factor of all - parental behaviour in everyday and social scenarios and its effect on children.

    Fair enough parents know where they are and they spend more time with mum but are they learning the right social skills and enjoying character-building self-esteem, or are they on the Xbox 24/7?

    Not fault of parents, says headline - not all avenues attributable to parental influence have eebn addressed = flawed load of nonsense IMO.
    post edited by rightyho - 2009/08/01 13:05:17
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:04:54 (permalink)
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    Ha, anecdotally I'd agree. My parents were decent enough in their way, yet me and my brother turned out sh't


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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:10:49 (permalink)
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    I think the report has some good points in that it levels questions at `peer group pressure` and  `wider cultural influence`s` door, and rightly so ime.
    At least they seem to now be heading in the right direction in that it isn`t just one thing that leads to bad/unacceptable behaviour it`s a combination of things.

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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:10:55 (permalink)
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    Quote from article:
    Parents are spending more time with their teenagers and are more likely to monitor their children's whereabouts than parents in the 1980s.

    Yes they probably spend more time trying to find out where they are because they know what more dangers there are these days.

    Still parenting one of the main factors of why some kids are like they are, although if your child is in a certain crowd there is not much you can do to stop them getting in trouble.

    When ever i was taken home in a police van my mum wasnt bothred infact sometimes she even laughed, that certainly is not good parenting as there was no punishment.

    post edited by Blue_Lagoon3000 - 2009/08/01 13:12:13
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:11:43 (permalink)
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    dazc thats full of bulllsh1t , my parents tried everything disaplin there is with me ,tried talking to me ,tryd counsling ,an i turnd out a we fuker , i wouldnt listen to no one and got myself into some trouble when i was younger so your wrong saying that , i no off a few parents who didnt give a fuk about their kids and they where the same as me but as i said above my parents tried everything ,
    i think its more about who your friends are and how they infulence u  
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:13:40 (permalink)
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    mrx eire

    dazc thats full of bulllsh1t


    Lol, you have a way with words.
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:16:29 (permalink)
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    Blue_Lagoon3000now that is bad parenting , i got into trouble with the law on many times , i even got in serious trouble with paramiltries who where going to shoot me 6 times in the legs,ankles,and knee capes so my parents locked me in my room with no shoes so i coulnt go out but i manged to find them and snuk out and got into more trouble ,so how can u blame that on my parents  dazc
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:17:58 (permalink)
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    rightyho man i no but thats they way i talk and have talkd most my life , i dont think i can change it now , its who i am
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:18:19 (permalink)
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    We are all born the same aren’t we... Blank sheets of paper?

    Our surroundings influence our behavior directly - Nuf said!

    Bloody Researchers are MAD!
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:19:56 (permalink)
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    Perhaps they should start researching their own research!!

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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:25:49 (permalink)
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    Growbaby
    We are all born the same aren’t we... Blank sheets of paper?


    No mate, we are hormonally pre-determined to a degree.
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:26:49 (permalink)
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    In his book 'The Blank Slate' Steven Pinker puts forward a view that agrees with this. Basically how a person turns out has more to do with their peer group than their parenting (and genetic influences play a part too of course, maybe the biggest part?)

    Not to say that bad parenting won't have a negative effect, but you could do everything right and your progeny could still turn out a little sh*t!
    post edited by CheekyChappie - 2009/08/01 13:31:55
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:35:34 (permalink)
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    dazc 

    rubbish imo. 

    bad children, generally, in my experience come from parents that dont care.  i only have to look at the kids on my estate to see that.  13/14 year olds shouldnt be out roaming the streets at midnight.  most arent, the ones from families that arent bothered are.  




    mrx eire 

    dazc thats full of bulllsh1t , my parents tried everything disaplin there is with me ,tried talking to me ,tryd counsling ,an i turnd out a we fuker , i wouldnt listen to no one and got myself into some trouble when i was younger so your wrong saying that , i no off a few parents who didnt give a fuk about their kids and they where the same as me but as i said above my parents tried everything , 
    i think its more about who your friends are and how they infulence u   

     
     



    I think your both right...I work in a school and some of the kids are pure evil, i would say 90% of the kids that play up is due to problems at home, drugs,violence, etc. Then there are the few who are just little fcukers, we have parents calling saying theyve tried everything and theyve got no choice but to put their kid into care, then you get the other parents who couldnt give a sh!t.
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:39:38 (permalink)
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    rightyho

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    We are all born the same aren’t we... Blank sheets of paper?


    No mate, we are hormonally pre-determined to a degree.


    Yes but if you took some of the most ruthless people from the uk now and started them from day 1 in a big manor house with a stables and a great "mummy and daddy" with a great lifestlye and no reason to be angry, they would be less likely to stab someone over an argument.
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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:39:50 (permalink)
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    A couple we know adopted two kids. The children's were taken into care because the parents were complete lowlifes. Iirc both kids were under two at time of adoption so having being brought up well in a loving environment you would assume they would turn out ok, well hell no , their a right pair of tearaways. Fair enough you could put some of this down to knowing their adopted but IMO their just gentically programed to self destruct.

    I've taught my kids right from wrong but I still accept they could go completely off the rails from other factors.

    No biggie like, there are a lot worse things for you than using steroids, I mean I probably shouldn't have been smoking crack or getting into bar fights at your age TBH  - drab4

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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:47:26 (permalink)
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    Pagan :-
    I've taught my kids right from wrong but I still accept they could go completely off the rails from other factors.

    That`s an important point mate imo, you can lay the foundations but invariably it`s down to them to build the  rest of the house so to speak.

    PS I don`t believe 100% in the blank canvas/clean slate notion either.

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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 13:54:36 (permalink)
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    You learn from what you see and what is around you, i was getting in to so much trouble after i'd left school my mother just couldnt controll me anymore. My father had to literally come and physically remove me from that environment and eventually i started to see the bigger picture and developed as a person.

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    Re:Bad teens 'not fault of parents' 2009/08/01 14:06:06 (permalink)
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    I do believe in nutrition during pregnancy though...

    If a soon to be mother is eating Mc D, BK, KFC smoking 20 a day and drinking her way through a bottle or two of Vodi in a bid to blur out her miserable life, then that must have a huge negative effect on the brain development etc...

    Also, the male too... The quality of his efforts is directly affected by his life style habits.

    All this will be passed on to Baby!!
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