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Best PCT to use with a deca cycle

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2009/08/03 20:40:01 (permalink)
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Best PCT to use with a deca cycle

I have heard that some PCT's can bring on gyno if used after deca.

My cycle will be:

Weeks 1 - 12 - 500mg Sustanon PW
Weeks 1 - 10 - 375mg Deca PW
Weeks 1 - 4 - Dianabol 30mg ED

And I may do:

Weeks 12 - 15 - Dianabol 20mg ED (While I wait for PCT with leftover)

I am looking for a PCT that I could also use if gyno came on in the middle of my cycle (because I cant really afford to buy both) But obviously if it came to me using my PCT in the middle of my cycle then I would borrow the money to replace the PCT.

What would be the best PCT/ON HAND ANTI ESTROGEN?

Thanks,
Mat
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    arnold84
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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/03 21:26:09 (permalink)
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    Get your hand your hands on Aromasin and clomid, use them for pct. DO NOT use nolva, if you've used progestins on cycles ie deca,tren and anadrol. Also get some caber or prami incase you get gyno symptoms on cycle then you can run it along side the aromasin to keep gyno undercontrol. All bases covered then, some people may disagree with me but id rather be safe and not upregulate the pgr receptor which could cause problems many months down the line after you've finished pct. Also might be wise to use 500ui's of hcg pw to aid recovery.
    post edited by arnold84 - 2009/08/03 21:27:18
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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 10:29:55 (permalink)
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    why shouldnt you use nolva for PCT after using Deca in your cycle??
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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 10:36:59 (permalink)
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    Nolva can upregulate prolactin/progesterone (can't remember which) and can cause and aggravate gyno that then becomes very very hard to shift.

    Something like aromasin or adex and clomid, plus maybe some hcg between last jab and pct is best way to go as arnold84 suggested
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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 11:07:41 (permalink)
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    alex.p

    Nolva can upregulate prolactin/progesterone (can't remember which) and can cause and aggravate gyno that then becomes very very hard to shift.

    Something like aromasin or adex and clomid, plus maybe some hcg between last jab and pct is best way to go as arnold84 suggested


    could the same be said about tamoxifen?

    never mind, just realised my mistake... to OP. i've never had any issue's with gyno etc on any course, and nothing on the previous 2 deca ones... this deca course i ran Nolva instead of clomid, and i got a lump and puffiness. I'm still trying to shift the puffiness now with only a week left of PCT...

    So in short, i'll not use it again...

    post edited by leemarksmith - 2009/08/04 11:14:06

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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 12:43:03 (permalink)
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    leemarksmith

    alex.p

    Nolva can upregulate prolactin/progesterone (can't remember which) and can cause and aggravate gyno that then becomes very very hard to shift.

    Something like aromasin or adex and clomid, plus maybe some hcg between last jab and pct is best way to go as arnold84 suggested


    could the same be said about tamoxifen?

    never mind, just realised my mistake... to OP. i've never had any issue's with gyno etc on any course, and nothing on the previous 2 deca ones... this deca course i ran Nolva instead of clomid, and i got a lump and puffiness. I'm still trying to shift the puffiness now with only a week left of PCT...

    So in short, i'll not use it again...


    lee opt for torem over nolva if you can source it. otherwise stick to clomid and a AI for pct if you've used progestins on cycle. What are you currently using in pct at the moment?. As i said to you in another thread you really need to get your hands on some prami or cabaser.
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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 16:04:00 (permalink)
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    Not sure on the Torem, but can get Clomid no probs for future...

    Only got nolva left for pct, and the letro i been using... been on nolva for 4 weeks tho, i might drop what i have left and switch to clomid...

    Caberlin is on order, untill that comes i've been taking Agnus Castus tabs. it may or may not help but for sake of a £5...
    post edited by leemarksmith - 2009/08/04 16:06:30

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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 16:05:12 (permalink)
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    Doubled...


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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 16:41:55 (permalink)
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    The Nolva should be dropped instantly mate, it's only going to make things worse even if using letro.

    Nolva has no place near a cycle or pct with deca/tren/npp involved. Until you get the clomid just stick to the letro only
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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 16:44:20 (permalink)
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    another point to remember is nolva will reduce the effectiveness of the letro aswell.
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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 16:56:21 (permalink)
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    Consider it dropped...

    Taking what you 2 have said should i still taper down the letro now, considering i've been hitting 1 a day up untill now? or carry on 1 per day for a week or so because of the negative Novla effect?

    Apologies to Matty22 for thread hyjack


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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 17:04:31 (permalink)
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    lee, this course i got gyno off test/deca and took letro until it was gone, then took 5mg p/week after that. Took me 3 weeks to get rid of the lump and now ive just added tbol its popped up again.

    Take the letro till its gone, then slowly taper off


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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 17:09:05 (permalink)
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    If gyno has gone, or gone down as much as will then cut the letro to eod for a week, then e3d, then half a tab twice in a week then once and finish IME
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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 17:10:00 (permalink)
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    bert.edge

    lee, this course i got gyno off test/deca and took letro until it was gone, then took 5mg p/week after that. Took me 3 weeks to get rid of the lump and now ive just added tbol its popped up again.

    Take the letro till its gone, then slowly taper off


    How long did you leave between the courses? thats what i was worried about in another thread i started. it coming straight back come a winter course...

    Lump totaly went in like 2 weeks into the lectro, its just the puffiness now really, just dont want it back in future. but i'll just have to be more carefull with my meds, and have everything on hand just in case...
    post edited by leemarksmith - 2009/08/04 17:15:59

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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 17:15:29 (permalink)
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    alex.p

    If gyno has gone, or gone down as much as will then cut the letro to eod for a week, then e3d, then half a tab twice in a week then once and finish IME


    i've got 30 left, so i'll continue 1PD for rest of this week, then do the above... should still be on the stuff if use all till end of Sept!... should that be enough taper-age lol
    post edited by leemarksmith - 2009/08/04 17:16:37

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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 17:36:34 (permalink)
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    You might want to also consider running letro e3d with future cycles
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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 17:45:57 (permalink)
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    alex.p

    You might want to also consider running letro e3d with future cycles


    Yes, definatly... i've never had anything on past deca cycles so i am definatly putting it down the the deca and novla combo... but now i've had it does that mean i'll get it everytime i cycle now? if you get me...

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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 17:55:00 (permalink)
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    It's a possibility. Better to prevent than try and cure everytime go on cycle though
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    Re:Best PCT to use with a deca cycle 2009/08/04 17:56:59 (permalink)
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    alex.p

    It's a possibility. Better to prevent than try and cure everytime go on cycle though


    Oh i know, always going to run some kind of AI in the future. and stay away from novla... was just interested.

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