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2019/04/09 17:29:24 (permalink)
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Best way to approach diet on cycle

Okay gents, let me cut a long story short.

Planning my first proper cycle in June. I say proper as I have done a few PHs like halodrol and superdrol in the past with some success.

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12 weeks of test e 500mg each week
3 weeks 20md ed Sdrol as a kicker
4 weeks of 30mg dbol starting from week 5.
PCT with nolva.

My goal is to bulk but limit the amount of excess fat that goes on. I realise there will be a fair bit of water loading going on so it will be difficult to gauge using scales. Trying to taper cals up or down during this will be a guessing game at best.

I know for a fact my current maintenance cals are 3700 daily give or take 100. Really I want to know how much extra cals I should put in per day when on cycle. Like I said want to limit the fat gain but don’t want to short change any gains either!

Any advice from experienced members appreciated.

Cheers!

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/09 19:00:30 (permalink)
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    I essentially start adding around 200 or so every time I feel weight has stagnated for a couple of weeks. Doesn't take much extra to give a little kick, and I always allow a 2 week monitoring to account for variables that could mislead weekly decision making. But that's only a about 50g of carbs to find each time I increase things which is fairly easy

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/09 21:38:18 (permalink)
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    Personally I wouldn`t want to do 4 weeks of Dbol after 3 weeks of Sdrol, I see you have run Sdrol before so am guessing you didn`t suffer much from sides. 
    I just think that`s quite a bit of stress for your liver.
     
    If you wanted to "kick start"  the cycle you could front load the Enth for the first 2 or 3 weeks.
       

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/09 22:01:08 (permalink)
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    The fact you are already worrying about limiting excess fat gain, you have already short changed your gains.

    You have no ide how you will react. Your first cycle is an experiment, learning how you’re body reacts. Hit the food hard, constantly monitor and adjust.

    But don’t be scared of a bit of fluff. You NEED a surplus and with that comes fluff!

    Dumbat
    Personally I wouldn`t want to do 4 weeks of Dbol after 3 weeks of Sdrol, I see you have run Sdrol before so am guessing you didn`t suffer much from sides. I just think that`s quite a bit of stress for your liver.
     


    I said the exact same thing a few months ago! It makes my abdomen ache just thinking about it!
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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/10 03:34:56 (permalink)
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    Quite honestly you won't need anything else but the Test mate, can't really help with the diet side as i've never counted calories or macros in my life but both DV's and Animals make sense to me.

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/11 13:28:13 (permalink)
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    Cheers guys for the reply’s.

    DV that is the approach I usually use, but I’m concerned that 200 cals above maintenance for the first weeks might be short changing. I’ve no idea how much muscle this stuff can put on so any calories would be just a guess.

    Dumbat- yes mate I’ve done SD before and measured liver values. Really wasn’t all that bad. Cholesterol was more concerning TBH. Additionally DBol I don’t think is that bad either. I think it was one of Dave crosslands vids where he said studies of athletes using 10mg daily showed absolutely no change to liver values. I will monitor but I think it will be fine, especially with a two week break in between.

    Animal perhaps you are right. I fuddied about in my last pct slowly adding cals and wasted a lot of time to find maintenenace. Perhaps I should start high and then taper down. Maybe 500 cals daily? Can’t imagine I’d build more than a pound of muscle a week and 3500 extra cals a week will certainly get the scales moving faster than that. I guess I’ll have to go by waist measurement rather than scales due to the changes in water. Thoughts?

    Silent rep- cheers mate but I already have it on hand may as well use it! My thoughts are I don’t want to waste my time or effort with lackluster cycles as I’ve done previously. Doing this cycle I’ll KNOW that I’m building muscle. Just how much is down to diet, training and genes! Hence the early start to planning.

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/11 17:44:44 (permalink)
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    If it's above maintenance, then it's above maintenance and you are in a surplus. Going 500 above maintenance won't add any more lean tissue than going 200 above will do.

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/11 18:09:58 (permalink)
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    We assume the body works in perfect 24 hour periods but it doesn’t.

    We also assume maintenance is the same every day but it’s not.

    Measure your waist and then measure arm/ quad. If they are getting bigger and waist is staying the same, you’re in the sweetspot. If waist is getting out of hand , cut back.

    Eat lots but dont overcomplicate things
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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/11 18:16:42 (permalink)
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    Start at 4000, adjust from there. Thank you and good night, I'm here all week.
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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/12 06:34:04 (permalink)
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    Cheers fellas. Very good points there. Everyday is not the same and I don’t even have the same length days so need to take that into account. I’ll start by adding 300 daily and taper up/down from there. That will have me at 3950 anyhow.

    Animal my arms don’t grow that fast I doubt I’ll see any change that quickly. Waist on the other hand grows very fast lol.

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/12 07:07:34 (permalink)
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    Drop the dbol, you really don’t need it.

    You’re kickstarting with SD. That’s more than enough, especially as this is your first cycle, your test is going to go through the roof!

    Save the dbol for your next cycle. You’re going to gain a **** load on ‘just’ SD and test!

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/13 12:36:39 (permalink)
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    Cheers for the reply mate.

    Dbol was always my primary goal, as I read somewhere it is x2.5 more anabolic than test alone. I wasn’t going to do it without a test base though. I’ve already done SD by itself and whilst fun I don’t think it works great by itself.

    How much lean tissue I gain will be mostly about the diet for me, hence the thread.

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/13 14:10:23 (permalink)
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    Personally I'd say as it's your first cycle not to take any oral... Stick to one compound and see how your body reacts. If you want to Front load do it with test.

    Diet wise you know the score... Go into a surplus and monitor weekly, keep it simple.
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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/14 08:27:59 (permalink)
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    Hi mate. Yeah I know that is the standard approach with first run of test, to see how you react to it.

    Consider this though: I already have documented blood tests throughout my SD run and know how it effects me. If I run that alongside the test any unusual experiences i encounter I can directly attribute to the test. Additionally the SD does not aromatise so any estrogenic effects will be solely test related. After this there’s a few weeks break from any orals. Five weeks in I’ll start the dbol. This should be more than enough time for any estrogenic sides (or others) to surface. All going well, dbol goes in and I should have a fair idea if that upsets the balance in the next five weeks.

    So there is method to the madness! Lol

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/14 08:49:15 (permalink)
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    Do it Brett, do it!
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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/14 09:40:06 (permalink)
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    Lol going for it anyway newcy. Just want to tie up the diet end to maximise the benefits. Thanks for all replies!

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/14 12:07:47 (permalink)
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    Lol going for it anyway newcy


    lol this reminds me of reading the bodybuilding.com misc page where spotty teenager newbs would get flamed for not listening to advice given and would just run silly cycles anyway! Luckily we don’t do that here (well unless Simon gets up on the wrong side of the bed )

    But seriously mate, I know you’re going to do it anyway but so my only advice would be .. run the DBOL first. The SD is dryer and will help solidify any DBOL gains before going into PCT.
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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/14 13:30:06 (permalink)
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    What are you expecting the DBOL to do?

    You’ve never run test, so you’re just being greedy here by adding in DBOL.

    If you eat well, train well and get your recovery sorted, which I know you’re educated and sensible enough to do, then you’ll grow like a weed on 500mg of test alone.

    You need to extract the maximum from each cycle by using the least drugs.

    If you’re that set on running DBOL, at least run it and the end of the cycle. Kick start with SD, then backload with DBOL.

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/14 22:44:16 (permalink)
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    Lol going for it anyway newcy


    lol this reminds me of reading the bodybuilding.com misc page where spotty teenager newbs would get flamed for not listening to advice given and would just run silly cycles anyway! Luckily we don’t do that here (well unless Simon gets up on the wrong side of the bed )

    But seriously mate, I know you’re going to do it anyway but so my only advice would be .. run the DBOL first. The SD is dryer and will help solidify any DBOL gains before going into PCT.


    Lol spotty sure, but teenager I am not!

    I did consider that way around. The main reason I chose not to is as I said, running two new compounds together I would not know what any sides are attributed to.

    After the dbol is finished I’ll have another two weeks on the gear and the two weeks after before starting the pct.

    I’ll have a good think about it though mate cheers.

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    Re: Best way to approach diet on cycle 2019/04/14 23:14:47 (permalink)
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    What are you expecting the DBOL to do?

    You’ve never run test, so you’re just being greedy here by adding in DBOL.

    If you eat well, train well and get your recovery sorted, which I know you’re educated and sensible enough to do, then you’ll grow like a weed on 500mg of test alone.

    You need to extract the maximum from each cycle by using the least drugs.

    If you’re that set on running DBOL, at least run it and the end of the cycle. Kick start with SD, then backload with DBOL.


    Yes I am being greedy. After so many years and sub-par results from PH cycles I feel I deserve it.

    I expect dbol to add a whole other level to what the test alone can do. I’ve seen people run test alone and not be overly impressed with the results. I realise a big part of it is due to diet but again, I want to make sure I hit this one out of the ball park and leave nothing to chance.

    What’s your thoughts on doing dbol last? Is it because of the reasons I listed above? I am considering animals suggestion of ‘solidifying gains’. Curious on your point of view on that.

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