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2011/04/08 10:45:22 (permalink)
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Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners.

In the past ive never really been a fan of the BARF diet, well i like the principal but i knew of a Great Dane that was fed like this and died due to bones giving him some internal damage.
That said my Bordeaux gets my turkey chicken breast etc thats gone past the dates i want to be cooking and eating it and this morning i cleaned a cooked chicken off the bone for her and she ate it like she'd not eaten for a month...lol
 
Who feeds their dog BARF, do you give them chicken wings etc ?
I know not to feed cooked bones etc but the Dane died from a beef thigh bone uncooked.
Do you think there is any risk involved, obviously could feed boneless meat but this would get expensive and i understand chicken wings and chicken carcasses are recommended.
 
Ive always used what ive regarded as a 'quality' dried complete food, currently Burns and she looks great on it and is clearly in very good health and condition.
 
Whats your thoughts fellow doggers ?
post edited by johnny bravo - 2011/04/08 11:37:16

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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 10:57:06 (permalink)
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    My dog lives with my parents or yes I would feed him BARF. I've read very good things about it for their health and very bad things about dog food. I do buy trays of chicken legs from costco and give him them raw a couple of times a week. I just watch he doesn't wolf the thing down in one rather than crunching the bone up 1st.

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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 11:05:06 (permalink)
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    There's a greater risk of salmonella infection with BARF diets, which may be of concern for people with children for example
     
    There are a few studies on pubmed but not many to be honest, it's a matter of anecdotal debate (my dog's coat is shinier than yours is what it basically boils down to!)
     
    The BARF diet is basically a fad, you either like it or you don't, there's no actual evidence of benefit or harm either way (other than an increase in incidences of salmonella infection)
     
    I don't feed my dog in this way myself, he has a dry and a wet complete, he does get given cooked meats and veg as treats though
     
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g./pmc/articles/PMC339295/
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20163574
     
    Etc
     
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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 11:07:18 (permalink)
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    Im going to have a search and see if there are and chicken processing factories nearby, would this be a good place to look for carcusses and wings etc relatively cheap ?
    The Burns dried food is an expensive buy in relation to other dried foods but i feed her on this for probably £1.50ish a day.
    works out good value due to not requiring mountains of the stuff each day.

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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 11:17:02 (permalink)
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    Thats interesting Drab, id not even considered the salmonella risks.
    30% found to have salmonella present following BARF, 0% found with dried complete foods... thats bad. I was more concerned about the actual damage from the bones rather than bacteria present.
     
    Think we will stick with the Burns.. lol
     
    Love her to bits but im not about to start cooking for her.

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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 11:24:41 (permalink)
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    I've only ever heard good things about the BARF diet. On that note, I was also of the thinking that its pretty tough to give a dog salmonella poisoning?? Or was the 'children' bit your concern - i.e. being passed on?
     
    Met a few dogs on it, one was a gorgeous schnuazer who had by all accounts been a feeble, rotting looking piece of crap its entire life, until at 8 the owner stuck it on BARF. Looked like a puppy give or take.
     
    Jess loves giving Henry cooked chicken, I get annoyed that he gets the nice free range ****!!
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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 11:34:00 (permalink)
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    Dogs by their nature are scavengers who given the oportunity will eat any crap, so yeah id imagine they 'tolerate' bacterias like salmonella quite well but i have no idea really, just guessing.
    That said its not a risk i really want to take.
     
    BARF I suppose is like the Paleo diet for cannines lol, not that the paleo diet recomends uncooked meats for people.
     
    Know what you mean about the chicken Tony, it was breaking my heart giving her the meat this morning, but id run out of dried food for her and pass the wholesalers on my way into work so she wouldnt get anything till tonight otherwise.
    Mrs B put her the chicken in the oven first thing this morn..

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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 11:42:27 (permalink)
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    I can see someone being worried about salmonella being passed to your children (can it be passed like that? No idea) but I would not be worried about my dog getting salmonella poisoning.
     
    Johnny, you can buy raw feeding from places on the net, turkey necks etc. I don't know how they compare for price with a local butcher though.
     
    http://www.ukbarfclub.co....a=viewCat&catId=25
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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 11:46:55 (permalink)
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    cheers Bookerman, will have a search
     
    Need to do a bit of reasearch with it all.
    Salmonella is not something i want to risk for any of us (daughter, Mrs B, me or the dog)
    but the principal BARF is interesting without a doubt.
     

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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 12:30:16 (permalink)
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    Raw food diet for dogs, actually has alot of benefits, you can buy raw frozen food for dogs such as rabbit mince, duck, chikcen etc... it can help dogs like mine who has an allergy and is better.
     
    I'dd dig out some info for you/links etc my mum and sister know much more bout this than me as they work with dogs everyday
     
     
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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 12:31:50 (permalink)
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    Tony Barnes

    I've only ever heard good things about the BARF diet. On that note, I was also of the thinking that its pretty tough to give a dog salmonella poisoning?? Or was the 'children' bit your concern - i.e. being passed on?

    Was that to me mate? I'll respond as if it was anyway lol
     
    Yes, the potential severity of the condition was more my concern. Families with young children or the elderly might be more worried about possible cases of salmonellosis than those families comprised of young adult humans (and healthy dogs) both of which have extremely high survival rates and particularly so dogs
     
     
    Bookerman

    I can see someone being worried about salmonella being passed to your children (can it be passed like that? No idea)

    Yes, a few licks to the hand or face from the same tongue that cleans the bottom....
     
    In general, I'm not for or against the BARF diet to any extent, I just like to point out when these discussions come up (which is all the time on dog forums lol) that there's not actually much evidence to support or decry them in any way. The only evidence so far is that there's an increased risk of salmonella infection, which may or may not be a big deal
     
    We've seen even in this thread anecdotal evidence both ways, the suddenly puppy-like old terrier, and the great dane who died
     
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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 12:38:37 (permalink)
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    cheers Bookerman, will have a search

    Need to do a bit of reasearch with it all.
    Salmonella is not something i want to risk for any of us (daughter, Mrs B, me or the dog)
    but the principal BARF is interesting without a doubt.


     
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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 13:46:56 (permalink)
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    I think what Drab has it covered.
     
    We fed our older dog just raw chicken wings when she was a pup and she was fine. She's got a lovely coat but that's not down to her diet.
     
    With our new pup we did feed him on raw mince such as rabbit, chicken, turkey which was frozen and then defrosted. When he first went to the vet we talked about various diets and she said the BARF was a fad aswell.
    She said there was a risk of salmonella poisoning feeding the dog raw food which could lead to increased problems if the dog was young and also how sensitive the breed was.
     
    Anyway the pup got ill, vomitting and diarrhea and lost alot of weight. Felt really bad for him and stopped the raw mince straight away. Fed him on a diet of boiled chicken and rice for a few weeks and threw the mince away to the foxes.
     
    He now has a dry food which I think is the best option and it's usually mixed with some cooked meat, vegetables etc.
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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 17:13:05 (permalink)
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    dogs are scavengers at the end of the day.
     
    if we are comparing really cheap crappy dog food with raw, then yes maybe it could be a bit better. BUT BARF compared to a decent dog food, imo there is no difference, in fact id probably say that the decent dog food is a little bit better.  its certainly less risky.  its also much more convenient for the owner as well.
     
    i think a look at the dogs stools tels you alot about how they are.  whenever i have tried or seen BARF diets used, stools are much more often very soft and/or very smelly, which imo isnt right.
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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 17:35:04 (permalink)
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    My hound dines on chicken or tuna.

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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 18:02:15 (permalink)
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    My 7month whippet currently gets James Wellbeloved complete dry food with Butchers tripe mix wet food to make it more interesting, she gets boiled chicken livers once a week, all sorts of meaty scraps whenever available but always cooked as I'm just not sure. I do give her the raw beef rib bones that they sell in packs in Morrisons (i freeze them so they last longer) which she strips bare and has a go at the ends of them before getting bored but she's only 8.5kg and can't do much damage to them. To be honest I think she's the sort of dog who will get bored with whatever I give her after a while so I'm not going to waste my time fussing around with anything other than commercial complete foods. She'd rather play than eat. I used to work in a big pet store and the most beautiful dog used to come in with the glossiest coat I've ever seen so I asked it's owners what they fed him and the answer was Bakers Complete! 
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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 18:20:40 (permalink)
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    You had me hooked right up to the Bakers Complete.... But if you're gonner start swearing I'm not reading anymore... Lol

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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 18:31:31 (permalink)
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    You want them to have glossy coats I'd suggest feeding them oily fish, makeral sardines etc

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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 18:48:10 (permalink)
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    Mine gets costco's own brand dried food, it's not cheap but it's good stuff. They also sell Autarky which is a fresh dried food i.e. it's not got all the preservatives in it but has a shorter shelf life because of this, a lot of people swear by it. Oh and omega 3 caps and glucosamine + chondroitin for his gammy leg.
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    Re:Bones and raw foods.. for the dog owners. 2011/04/08 19:50:23 (permalink)
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    Used to feed my dog on tripe (2lbs @ meal), chicken carcass, turkey neck, liver etc etc and he has always been of excellent health etc etc
     
    He's not been on it for about a year or so now, mainly due to not having room for the chest freezer etc than I used to keep his food in as I used to bulk buy about 100/120lb of tripe, 60 carcass, + necks and anything else he used to get.
     
    He's dropped a tiny bit of weight, and his teeth need cleaning more than they ever did but that could be purely down to age.
     
    He's always topped himself up with cow **** though when out on walks 
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