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2015/04/22 13:26:20 (permalink)

Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand...

Brilliant Brian.  During a Q&A at the launch of Russell's Documentary -
 
BM: I have a campaign called Common Decency which is about trying to change the system radically from within. I’m proposing that we form a strategy on May 7th and I think my strategy is so good that I’m even going to persuade you to vote but we shall see. My question is: If you really don’t want to vote and you don’t want us to vote, what do you want us to do to achieve the things that we know we need to do because we just watched your film. What do you want us to do?
 

 

Alas, Brand seemed rather taken aback by the straightforward question:
RB: Did you put Freddy Mercury under this kind of f—ing pressure? It’s a long term strategy of the re-centralisation of the power under the co-ordination of vital institutions and vital services fully autonomous collectives that collaborate to preserve the rights of the individual and the rights to pursue spiritually whatever direction we want to with the prioritisation of the ecological preservation of the planet. It’s going to take a while for it to get on the ballot box but I don’t know if that is necessarily the right way to go about it but I support you, what I support most of all is people becoming fully activated and I’d be very, very happy to talk to you and Anita Dobson in your caravan.
Perhaps as confused as Mr S by Brand’s answer, May pushed on:
BM: But what do we do Russell?
 
RB: I mean, look, you know me, help me out. In that film that we grafted over there are loads and loads of ideas. You’re saying how do we get that sh-t to happen. I mean don’t make me say something mad on the telly. I believe in creating different relationships with powerful institutions which operate on behalf of the powerful, bringing them on to our side. I don’t agree with remaining within the parameters that have been set for us. I don’t believe in that in any level, I believe in real change. Like if an election is us the people we can have one whenever we f—ing want, we can do whatever we like. I have some ideas, I have some strategies but I also have really serious limitations. I’m here to amplify the issues for the people in this room to help people in anyway I can.
Strangely May didn’t look very impressed.

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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 13:44:04 (permalink)
Surely there's a video of this somewhere?
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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 14:30:40 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby Shae 2015/04/22 14:43:11
I don't get it...
 
Isn't RB just saying thngs should be better and more fair, and that he doesn't know how we go about getting this done, but he is trying to point out how things really are but its up to the people how we react to how things really are?

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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 15:13:30 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby trueblue316 2015/05/08 00:55:43
RB sounds like a bad politician. Big talk but no walk, it's all for face value.
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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 15:29:51 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby NDT 2015/04/23 15:18:50
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I don't get it...
 
Isn't RB just saying thngs should be better and more fair, and that he doesn't know how we go about getting this done, but he is trying to point out how things really are but its up to the people how we react to how things really are?


He's saying the status quo is not acceptable, yet he can't propose a single credible alternative to it. He isn't interested in democracy, he's interested in nihilism.

In fact scratch that, he's not even interested in nihilism, he is simply interested in making people think he's interested in nihilism while sitting back and reaping the benefits that capitalism bestows on him for talking/writing/making movies about how much he hates capitalism.

Read the guy's first quote in the OP, it sounds like he's completely taking the piss (in fact I'm almost sure he is).
post edited by CitizenKane - 2015/04/22 15:33:54

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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 15:33:15 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby NDT 2015/04/23 15:19:13
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I don't get it...
 
Isn't RB just saying thngs should be better and more fair, and that he doesn't know how we go about getting this done, but he is trying to point out how things really are but its up to the people how we react to how things really are?




Basically he is saying "Dunno mate" in 200 words,  most of them pointlessly long ones.  

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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 15:38:00 (permalink)
Just goes to show the hired researchers he had wrote his book.
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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 16:16:35 (permalink)
Has anyone seem the movie yet? I think he has ideas but I dont think he would say...'right this is my idea and this is how its gona be', I think hes open to ideas from lots of sources and possible has his own ideas, but him telling people how he thinks things will be run would probably lead to headache and masses of people disagreeing with him.
 
For example he might suggest decriminalizing drugs and making them legal to buy and sell and for them to be taxed...this could raise money for the NHS (for example).
 
People will just poke holes in it and try to twist what he's actually suggesting.
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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 16:51:23 (permalink)
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He's saying the status quo is not acceptable, yet he can't propose a single credible alternative to it. He isn't interested in democracy, he's interested in nihilism.

In fact scratch that, he's not even interested in nihilism, he is simply interested in making people think he's interested in nihilism while sitting back and reaping the benefits that capitalism bestows on him for talking/writing/making movies about how much he hates capitalism.




You've fitted an impressive amount of **** into just two paragraphs there and demonstrated that you've never watched any of his videos/read his articles/books.
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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 16:52:30 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby stinking_dylan 2015/04/23 08:49:09
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think he has ideas but I dont think he would say...'right this is my idea and this is how its gona be', I think hes open to ideas from lots of sources and possible has his own ideas, but him telling people how he thinks things will be run would probably lead to headache and masses of people disagreeing with him.


But can't you see how much of a cop-out that is? Anybody could say what he says. Anybody, without putting in any thought whatsoever, could say "things are bad and they should be better but I don't know how we can make them better but we just should". Saying that doesn't make someone a revolutionary, no matter how much they try to spruce it up with hysterical overuse of a thesaurus. Anyone could say it. A child could say it. The point is, why then should anyone pay any attention to him?

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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 17:01:50 (permalink)
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think he has ideas but I dont think he would say...'right this is my idea and this is how its gona be', I think hes open to ideas from lots of sources and possible has his own ideas, but him telling people how he thinks things will be run would probably lead to headache and masses of people disagreeing with him.


Anyone could say it. A child could say it. The point is, why then should anyone pay any attention to him?



Yea anyone could say it yes. Is that your whole point?
 
Hes a famous person with an out spoken point of view, there are many like him...hes not saying you must listen to him becuase he's complete right about everything.
 
It just boils down to how much you like him, If you dont like him you will probably say he talks a load of BS. Most people who don't like him dont know anything about him, its like people who don't like UKIP probably don't know very much about them, they just thin they are racist.

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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 17:02:15 (permalink)
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He's saying the status quo is not acceptable, yet he can't propose a single credible alternative to it. He isn't interested in democracy, he's interested in nihilism.

In fact scratch that, he's not even interested in nihilism, he is simply interested in making people think he's interested in nihilism while sitting back and reaping the benefits that capitalism bestows on him for talking/writing/making movies about how much he hates capitalism.




You've fitted an impressive amount of **** into just two paragraphs there and demonstrated that you've never watched any of his videos/read his articles/books.


I've demonstrated that I've never bought in to the utter nonsense in his videos and articles that I have watched/read (but I've never read any of his books, thank f.uck)

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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 17:04:44 (permalink)
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I don't get it...
 
Isn't RB just saying thngs should be better and more fair, and that he doesn't know how we go about getting this done, but he is trying to point out how things really are but its up to the people how we react to how things really are?


He's saying the status quo is not acceptable, yet he can't propose a single credible alternative to it. He isn't interested in democracy, he's interested in nihilism.

In fact scratch that, he's not even interested in nihilism, he is simply interested in making people think he's interested in nihilism while sitting back and reaping the benefits that capitalism bestows on him for talking/writing/making movies about how much he hates capitalism.

Read the guy's first quote in the OP, it sounds like he's completely taking the piss (in fact I'm almost sure he is).

He just wish he understood what capitalism was , you cant get rid of something you don't have , yes there are elements of it throughout the economy but he talks about the systemic failures which where all socialist , like bailing out the banks , artificial interest rates creating booms and busts/depressions. His is one area where capitalism does work to a point , people decide if they like his product and part with there cash  , if they don't , then they don't part with there cash , bailing out the banks mentality is like threatening somebody to buy Russell Brands latest film or go to Jail , he should be pushing to bring back capitalism.
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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 17:09:29 (permalink)
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think he has ideas but I dont think he would say...'right this is my idea and this is how its gona be', I think hes open to ideas from lots of sources and possible has his own ideas, but him telling people how he thinks things will be run would probably lead to headache and masses of people disagreeing with him.


Anyone could say it. A child could say it. The point is, why then should anyone pay any attention to him?



Yea anyone could say it yes. Is that your whole point?
 
Hes a famous person with an out spoken point of view, there are many like him...hes not saying you must listen to him becuase he's complete right about everything.
 
It just boils down to how much you like him, If you dont like him you will probably say he talks a load of BS. Most people who don't like him dont know anything about him, its like people who don't like UKIP probably don't know very much about them, they just thin they are racist.


My point is that there is nothing of substance in what he is saying. You're missing my point I think. It's not that he's outspoken, being outspoken is a good thing, but being outspoken while not actually saying anything, is not a good thing.

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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/22 18:48:49 (permalink)
he is saying something though, I have posted a vid on the forums that even people that hate him can not disagree with, or think is nothing/just words

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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/23 00:04:30 (permalink)

 
sounds about right :D

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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/23 01:39:02 (permalink)
The fact he hasn't been able to come up with a precise and detailed plan for solving the issues he raises, does not descredit the value and relevence of the points he makes.

Just because I am unable to fix a car does not mean I cannot see that the tires have punctures and the engine is leaking.

He does in fact make some suggestions for change, but obviously does not have any power to enforce them himself. At least by increasing awareness, even if it is only for personal gain, he has opened politics up to a wider audience and set the stage for others to try and implement change.

Do people disagree with his points entirely or just have an issue with his lack of plan?
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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/23 06:57:18 (permalink)
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Just because I am unable to fix a car does not mean I cannot see that the tires have punctures and the engine is leaking.





 Lets stick with this analogy then - 
 
Imagine you now start making Youtube videos, press releases, TV, radio etc. telling people that mechanics, tyre fitters and the whole motor industry is corrupt and ripping us all off and we should never use them. 
   In the meantime you reap the benefits of said mechanics by having your car fixed and serviced and having your 'ride pimped' to a level that most in the world will never be able to afford.  
 
Its a bit rich ('scuse the pun) to write a book called "Revolution" when all you want to do is state the bleeding obvious. 

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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/23 08:00:33 (permalink)
Russell Brand is the Minister For Waffle. Brian May this election's Bono.
What is it with these millionaire celebrities who have most of their assets overseas anyway?
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Re: Brian May sums up the problem with Russell Brand... 2015/04/23 08:17:11 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby trueblue316 2015/05/08 00:58:47
I can just see Brand turning on his cockney geezer act and call everyone mate while he stumbled for an answer.

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