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2011/04/06 13:40:43 (permalink)
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Broscience

Having a stupid dispute on facebook with some guy who's trying to tell a friend of mine that "creatine + whey is the simple solution" to bulking up. I'm trying to explain that your diet and eating at a calorie surplus is more important (as well as giving a brief overview of what creatine actually does (increased ATP & water retention) but he's adamant that creatine and whey is all you need:
 
"but in scientific view, creatine and whey protein is the solution to bulk up ...creatine will provide the ATP that will give you endurance when working out and cell volume. at the same time the whey protein will be absorbed as your body needs more muscle to sustain the longer and heavier work outs. creatine also helps with getting ripped."
 
It's not the worst example of broscience I've seen (last sentence is funny though) but it's not helpful. Fortunately my friend has a bit of sense and won't heed this esteemed advice.
 
Got any funny examples of where you've encountered broscience in the gym or day to day life? I fancy some amusement.
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    EnfantTerrible
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 13:43:34 (permalink)
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    I replied:
     
    "I'm sorry but you're talking absolute cobblers. Calorie surplus = bulk, calorie deficit = cut. Food is what affects your size. You're better off eating a chicken breast than you are drinking a protein shake, they're just there for convenience but shouldn't be your main source of protein. As for creatine, if anything creatine is NOT good for 'getting ripped' because of water retention. The sort of stuff you're saying is commonly referred to as 'broscience'."
     
    and he said:
     
    "what ?? you are the one saying broscience .. calorie deficit = cut ?? yes but as you are losing the fat, there will be muscle loss as well ..water doesn't affect muscle definition mate ...75% of your body is water. and no, chicken breasts are good for your daily diet but they are not better than whey protein because the suppliment protein powders are chemically designed to be absorbed effectively by the body whereas chicken breasts contain other chemicals that will inhibit maximum protein absorbance."
     
    Getting silly, time to wrap it up I think.
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 13:49:46 (permalink)
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    Not broscience at all really more just ignorance, but when one of my mates was starting to get into training a few years ago he told me he didn't want to take protein shakes because he wanted to get into shape 'naturally'. Which I thought was quite amusing

    "Be adequate"
     
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 14:12:09 (permalink)
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    theres a good jpg that i cant use here as its inappropriate regarding arguing on the internet and comparing it to the special olympics :p
     
     

    Current goals: get back in the game
     
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 14:14:10 (permalink)
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    Word, I wrapped it up by saying "Arguing on the internet is ghey, especially over a subject such as this. Do what works for you, matey".
     
    I just wish I knew that protein shakes were better than eating chicken... I'd have saved so much cash.
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 14:41:51 (permalink)
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    I've got a load of skinny, ill looking mates who regularly try to speak to me about 'the best way' to do something in the gym/the best way to lose fat/gain muscle'.... then there';s the average joe in the street who wants to talk about training.... i fvcking hate talking about training personally as everybody thinks they know best and it's best to just point out the obvious.... Do you look like you know more about lifting than he does? If so, you know what works and what doesn't for you. Forget anything else. It's a none issue.

    99% of what the average gym goer/wannabe fitness guru  says is bollocks, You get it in the pub, in the gym, at bus stops, in shopping queues... they're fvcking everywhere....

    i just listen, smile and nod.... then i'll usually come out with something like " You seem to think you know your stuff buddy.... not doing you many favours though is it "

    then walk away..... flexing..... cool as fvck....

    It's just how i roll....




    Ps protein is protein, powder or real food it really makes zero difference to the end result in terms of muscle gain.
    post edited by Doink - 2011/04/06 14:43:36
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 14:51:18 (permalink)
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    I know what you're saying Doink, I like your style.
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 14:56:06 (permalink)
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    EnfantTerrible

    "Calorie surplus = bulk, calorie deficit = cut. Food is what affects your size."

    You could expand that to say that "Food is what affects your size. A surplus leads to weight gain and a deficit leads to weight loss. Training will determine whether it's muscle or fat that is gained or lost." It'd be pointless trying to explain it to Mr O though. 
     
    Along the same lines as Kaldog's un-postable JPG: there's no point arguing with retards. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 14:57:31 (permalink)
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    I told a guy in the gym I was doing higher reps of 12 now.

    He told me I wouldnt be able to build muscle, merely tone it.

    I said WTF is toning, he said, y'know, bring out the shape abit more....

    "I believe in taking care of myself" - Patrick Bateman
      
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 15:14:57 (permalink)
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    Red_Alert 
    I said WTF is toning, he said, y'know, bring out the shape abit more....


    making it bigger, you mean?
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 15:16:21 (permalink)
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    This website is full of broscience.
     
    I base my entire diet, workout etc from broscience, I love it.
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 15:31:58 (permalink)
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    Enfant Terrible, where abouts are you in S'hampton mate?  I live in Fareham.
     
    Doink
    I've got a load of skinny, ill looking mates who regularly try to speak to me about 'the best way' to do something in the gym/the best way to lose fat/gain muscle'.... then there';s the average joe in the street who wants to talk about training.... i fvcking hate talking about training personally as everybody thinks they know best and it's best to just point out the obvious.... Do you look like you know more about lifting than he does? If so, you know what works and what doesn't for you. Forget anything else. It's a none issue.

    99% of what the average gym goer/wannabe fitness guru  says is bollocks, You get it in the pub, in the gym, at bus stops, in shopping queues... they're fvcking everywhere....

    i just listen, smile and nod.... then i'll usually come out with something like " You seem to think you know your stuff buddy.... not doing you many favours though is it "

    then walk away..... flexing..... cool as fvck....

    It's just how i roll....




    Ps protein is protein, powder or real food it really makes zero difference to the end result in terms of muscle gain.

    I get idiots wanting to talk to me about training a lot too, it really has become a bain to be honest.


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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 16:19:06 (permalink)
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    I got called into my managers office for having a tub of creatine in my locker at work. I was about to get a formal disciplinary for bringing 'powdered steroids' into work. I told him too google it.
     
    Two minutes later I waltz'd out into the catering unit, unscrewed my protein shake and threw in a tablespoon. Peoples face were like >:0

    Mine was like

     
     
    I found out the guy who had ratted me out to him was the same guy who claimed to be on HGH tablets, which turned out to be multi-vits.
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 16:48:53 (permalink)
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    i love listening to broscience, a lot of rubbish said, but generally dont bother commenting as most people wont accept that some of their ideas arent really that useful



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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 16:50:09 (permalink)
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    A situation worthy of trollface.

    We do not forgive. We do not forget. 
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 17:33:26 (permalink)
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    Broscience, I love that word from non-scientists
     
    OP he's probably more right than you are, sorry mate, but more importantly it doesn't really matter
     
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 17:39:06 (permalink)
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    EnfantTerrible

    I replied:

    "I'm sorry but you're talking absolute cobblers. Calorie surplus = bulk, calorie deficit = cut. Food is what affects your size. You're better off eating a chicken breast than you are drinking a protein shake, they're just there for convenience but shouldn't be your main source of protein. As for creatine, if anything creatine is NOT good for 'getting ripped' because of water retention. The sort of stuff you're saying is commonly referred to as 'broscience'."

    and he said:

    "what ?? you are the one saying broscience .. calorie deficit = cut ?? yes but as you are losing the fat, there will be muscle loss as well ..water doesn't affect muscle definition mate ...75% of your body is water. and no, chicken breasts are good for your daily diet but they are not better than whey protein because the suppliment protein powders are chemically designed to be absorbed effectively by the body whereas chicken breasts contain other chemicals that will inhibit maximum protein absorbance."

    Getting silly, time to wrap it up I think.

     
    Sorry but the bit in bold is "absolute cobblers".
     
    Protein Shake = Calories.
    Chicken Breast = Calories.
     
    So how can you come to the conclusion that one is beter?
     
    If someone gains most of their calories on a bulk through a weight gaining shake/protein shake, then fair do's. If someone gains most of their calories on a bulk through meat and "actual food" then fair do's.
     
    End of the day chicken breast and shakes are both food.

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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 17:46:05 (permalink)
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    drab4

    Broscience, I love that word from non-scientists

    OP he's probably more right than you are, sorry mate, but more importantly it doesn't really matter


     
    I love the word broscience and I'm a scientist, do you love me?
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 17:52:03 (permalink)
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    Anyone made a creatine joke yet?
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    Re:Broscience 2011/04/06 17:52:29 (permalink)
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    broscience is class
     
    brb strawberry flavour steron shakes
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