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2006/07/16 14:54:58 (permalink)
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Bulking Cutting or Neither!!

Hi I'm returning to the gym after some 15 years away thanks to bad living etc. I'm 5ft 10 and currently sit at 184lbs. However I'm apple shaped and therefore fat! My BMI is 25.9 so I've just slid into the overweight category. However I'm vegetarian and my diet is good now I have cut the chocolate beer etc. 3 protein shakes a day creatine and I eat every 3 hours . I have been at the gym 8 weeks now training 4 times a week and doing cardio 3-4 times as well (for about 15-20 mins each time) . I want to build my physique but I'm confused should I cut then bulk .Bulk a bit first then cut or just maintain my weight and try to redistribute the muscle/fat ratio over time! I don't want to drop to the 10 stone weakling I was when I started at the gym when I was 16. I'm also not bothered about a perfect 6 pack just yet either as I havent built the perfect chest to sit above it yet! However if I bulk to 200lbs or so I guess my belly will be rather hideous.

Help me find a goal/target as I'm training in no man's land for now as most advice suggests that burning fat and building muscle together isn't possible( secretly my mislead original goal)

P.S. Im 36 so I'm not looking at any short term fixes and i realise I may be some time from any goal yet.
My belly round the navel is 39"
My chest around the nipples is the same!
My biceps are 13" tensing whilst blue in the face!!
NO I'm not going to prove it in a picture (Phew!)
If cutting is the goal and I feel this may well be your retort what routine should i follow regarding cardio/weights and is it true that cardio with weights has a negative effect. My protein intake is around 200 grams at present would you increase during cutting?
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    Yib
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    RE: Bulking Cutting or Neither!! 2006/07/16 19:03:32 (permalink)
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    I think you should cut down on the fat first tbh. 1 - You don't seem to feel very good at present and 2 - I don't think you'll feel any better if you gained even more weight.
    So once you cut down you can then build up from a lean frame (and not overdo the bulking!). I think that may be the best course for you in my opinion.

    As for the changes to diet for cutting.. you may want to post it up in the diet section for advice.. and mention that you're a vegetarian before other members jump on you lol.

    What do you mean that cardio with weights may have a negative effect? Can you expand on that a bit more please as I don't think I understand what you're implying.

    You can still follow the same weights routine you're doing now. If it's been over three months or you're tired of it then you can always follow another. There are many many many different ones out there. Ice_mach did an excellent job for routines... You can look here for some ideas if you like.. they're seperated into different categories: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/fb.asp?m=854463

    As for losing fat whilst building muscle.. that can be achieved, but under certain circumstances. You may be able to do this at the beginning, but the effects will definately not last long. So now, the new training will stimulate muscle growth and also bump up your lean tissue.. which will burn more calories (so would the elevated metabolism from added physical activity and better eating). So yes it can give the 'phenomenal' effect of losing fat and building muscle at the same time as your body composition changes, but in no way is it a permanent thing in most cases. The effect will wear off once you adapt to the changes so-to-speak.

    So yeah, continue to eat well (make changes to it with help in the diet forum if you like), train hard, and be patient.
    Monitor your progress and adjust according to your goals/needs. And you'll be ok.

    Taking pictures or keeping track of bodyfat % can help monitor. BMI isn't that great to go by.. and to some extent.. neither is using the scales. Although the scales are IMO more useful than BMI and can at least give you some sense of direction.

    Good luck

    and Welcome to MT

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    spooner
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    RE: Bulking Cutting or Neither!! 2006/07/16 20:13:39 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the comments young italian babe . I do actually feel ok just a little plump!
    Cardio with weights well a trainer at my gym told me to do 15-30 mins cardio before weights but I've read in various places to split it up and definately do it after!?
    Thanks for the link i will go to the diet section for diet help as I think i've put on 4 pounds in the last 3 weeks though I'm hoping its muscle!
    Great site I hope to make a lot of use of it
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    RE: Bulking Cutting or Neither!! 2006/07/16 22:11:22 (permalink)
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    Spooner
    you and I have similar stats, i took 3yrs off training and never really ate well when i was training previously. I'd second YIB suggestion of a cut first. I am in the process of doing exactly that using a calorie deficient diet, high protein, low carbs, plenty of EFAs around 2100kcal a day with 300g protein, 120g carb,50g EFAs.
    Pretty much all the information you need is on the site, take a look at the cutting section by Toxic Toffee it contains some really good information.
    Feel free to ask questions, the guys and girls on here are really freindly.

    Once you get things sorted start yourself a journal and log your diet, training and stat progress, having this record of achievement is great for spurring you on.

    Look fwd to seeing you around.

    "You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don't try." - Beverly Sills

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    RE: Bulking Cutting or Neither!! 2006/07/17 00:35:09 (permalink)
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    Thanks rafriki I'm on it so to speak calorie planning/cutting as i speak
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    Yib
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    RE: Bulking Cutting or Neither!! 2006/07/17 05:02:09 (permalink)
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    Yes, do not do cardio before weights. Try to split it up, and if not then after weights can be done.. but not beforehand.


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    RE: Bulking Cutting or Neither!! 2006/07/17 15:30:40 (permalink)
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    depends on your goal if its fat loss then do it first or do it on different days.
    i find that i cannot do cardio after a weights session, so i have to do it first, it means that sometimes im a bit tired nearing the end of my weights, but thats the sacrifice i have to make to lose fat

    :o
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