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2015/01/12 23:24:52 (permalink)
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Bulking when already fat

My situation is that I have a big belly, but skinny everywhere else. In the past when I have tried to cut I have ended up losing weight all over which of course would happen as you can't spot reduce fat. The problem with that is I still look skinny with a fat belly. So the answer is to try cutting and bulking cycles. 
In the last few months I have managed to lose 5 kg and 1.5" of my belly from 40 to 38.5"  and lost some muscle mass too as my lifts have dropped. Now I'm hoping to clean bulk again for around 6 weeks to even things out a bit before starting my next cut. Would I be correct that in this "bulk" phase I should eat on a healthy maintenance level with some levels of cardio either slow and steady after weights or maybe hit?   
Or should I be on calorie surplus as that's the only way to build muscle, bit confused so please advise. 
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Re: Bulking when already fat 2015/01/13 09:19:19 (permalink)
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Calorie surplus when you're already fat, ends up in pretty much one result... More fat.
 
Have a read of these...
 
http://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/bulking-diet-delusion
 
http://www.phillearney.com/nutrition/the-ultimate-cutting-guide/
 

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Re: Bulking when already fat 2015/01/13 11:06:41 (permalink)
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More a 'time of year/life' decision - but I imagine you' should cut first.  Reasons below.
 
If you're in your 20's, you've got lots of time to build muscle, so cut down first.  Should take about 4-5 months to get to a nice leanness, you may want to go down further to enjoy seeing your abs (as I'm currently going for as a former fatty)
 
If you're in your 40's and bodybuilding for the first time, bear in mind you will now never put on as much muscle mass as the average 20-something (unless you have very good genetics), and it will take you considerably longer (years, not months), so if max muscle mass is your ultimate goal, and you don't care how you look for a few years, then by all means bulk now.  However, if you're here you probably DO want to look good, ie for the beach, so cut now, and bulk later.  
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Re: Bulking when already fat 2015/01/16 15:38:49 (permalink)
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Mate, in all fairness, why get caught up in constant bulk and cut cycles? If you bulk and then cut, you're likely to lose some lean mass dieting down, so the gains you make in 6 weeks (if you're natural) aren't going to be anything to rave about IMO.
 
From a health perspective if nothing else, lose the weight, drop some body fat. And do it slowly while trying to keep hold of as much lean mass as possible. Protein quite high, set your fats and carbs and then train hard. Stay consistent, I wouldn't add cardio from the word go. If the weight starts coming off, happy days. If it doesn't, add a HIIT session or two and see how you go on.
 
You'll look better stripping the fat off and holding onto lean mass than going into a bulk / cut phase. Just take longer to cut and do it slowly.
post edited by completephysique - 2015/01/16 16:09:28
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Re: Bulking when already fat 2015/01/19 20:46:52 (permalink)
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The problem with bulking whilst you're fat is that you're insulin sensitivity will be poor therefore you will end up looking worse. I would cut but don't cut the calories to drastically and as others have said take it slowly. Certainly for the first 12 weeks I would lower you're carbs(don't cut them out totally) and what carbs you do eat, eat around you're work out ( pre/post). This will help you get you're insulin sensitivity back.
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Re: Bulking when already fat 2015/01/20 07:09:32 (permalink)
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You need to get grafting hard on all the main compound exercises. I wouldn't aim for a bulking or cutting diet. Just eat a wholesome clean diet with ample protein but graft like a mad man , your metabolism should spike by this alone.
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Re: Bulking when already fat 2015/01/20 18:21:34 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby Barbarian999 2015/02/08 17:49:43
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WhiteSnake
You need to get grafting hard on all the main compound exercises. I wouldn't aim for a bulking or cutting diet. Just eat a wholesome clean diet with ample protein but graft like a mad man , your metabolism should spike by this alone.

as above ,don't worry about cut/bulk phases , eat healthy foods lots of protein moderate carbs & fats and train hard and heavy until you can't train no more every time! You'll gain muscle and start loosing that gut!
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