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2009/07/29 13:16:19 (permalink)
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CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE

 
hEY ALL!
 
I am currently cutting down and its getting tough!
I believe my diet is good and i think im doing all the right things, i am keeping all my carbs to low/medium glycaemic index (infact my main amount of carb allowance is just coming from a small bowl of wholewheat pasta with bit of tom puree for taste, during the day and porridge in the morning) and keeping a high protein intake however im not seeing any dramatic changes and really 'struggling' to pull those abs through.
 
Really losing motivation now!
 
I am swimming quarter/half a mile every other day before brekie and weight training to keep the muscular gains and trying to fit in atleast 2 sessions of cardio on the bike a week, lasting 40-60 mins. Swapping energy deficits also so doing all my weights and cardio exercise at different times.
 
My weight training days have recently been split up into day on, day off, day on, day off day on.. and swimming up to a half a mile on my days off first thing in the morning.
 
I was on the maximuscle website recently reading an article on how to build the best abs and it sent me to a kl counter and apparently according to this i should only be taking in 780 calories a day which i thought was quite low! ..anyway looking at my diet i must be burning off more than i am consuming, meaning i must be burning fat!
 
I am now thinking of doing a carb cycle.. does anyone know of a good carb cycle meal plan or doing one that seems to be working for them !?!?
 
Any comments on the above or any comments on how they find cutting would be really appreciated, please post your replys.
 
 
 
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    big140
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/07/29 13:26:46 (permalink)
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    how long have you been on this diet for because it takes some time? you should be aiming to lose about 1.5 - 2 lbs a week.

    people usually cut from anywhere between 6 - 14 weeks

    Current stats:
    6 foot; 14 stone

    Bench press: 8 x 115kg
    Squat: 8 x 120kg
    DB shoulder press: 8 x 36kg
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/07/29 13:38:42 (permalink)
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    big140

    how long have you been on this diet for because it takes some time? you should be aiming to lose about 1.5 - 2 lbs a week.

    people usually cut from anywhere between 6 - 14 weeks


    Sorry i should have said that! - this will be my 5th week.
     
    Yeah 2lbs is my aim however i dont know if i am meeting this target.
     
    Thank-you
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/07/29 14:30:43 (permalink)
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    are you weighing yourself weekly?

    i would suggest you post up an example of your daily diet so people can see where you're going wrong.

    Current stats:
    6 foot; 14 stone

    Bench press: 8 x 115kg
    Squat: 8 x 120kg
    DB shoulder press: 8 x 36kg
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/07/29 16:29:57 (permalink)
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    big140

    are you weighing yourself weekly?

    i would suggest you post up an example of your daily diet so people can see where you're going wrong.


    Example of Diet
     
    - Brekie =  Protein shake as soon as i get up and porridge and raisins / 1/2 weetabix
    ( if on a swim day il get back and have post workout shake and turkey wrap.
     
    - Snack = half tin of tuna or slice of brown bread with peanut butter as a snack
     
    -12.30pm Lunch = i have been alternating this between either small bowl of whole wheat pasta with some tom puree or baked beans and sausages on toast 2 slices of brown bread. I will have the pasta for 2 days for lunch and then have the baked beans and alternate this throughout the week.
     
    ******* if weights day il go training now*************
     
    - post workout shake on return home
     
    I have been known to just have a tin of tuna for tea when using thermogenic metab increasers as it does seem to surpress my appetite quite alot.. this is what was happening when i first started my cutting but i have finished them now.
     
    Tea - this can swap from day to day.. some times a large roast chicken wrap with lettuce or sliced cumcumber or a 3 egg omelette, turkey burger made with turkey mince (homemade) just with bit of tom sauce to binde the mince with salad (occasionally 1 large beef burger and salad in brown bun)
     
    Snack before bed 9pm ish usually cream cheese on cracker with a protein shake
     
    Thats a typical days diet and yes it does lack veg but i tend to keep my carbs down to a minimal il have some fruit every day usually in the afternoon before or after tea.. and make sure i have some veg on a sunday with evening meal
     
     
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/04 16:16:56 (permalink)
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    Hi mate

    Are you sure you're losing mass?  Sometimes when you lose weight, it seems that you're losing mass, but in reality you've merely lost body girth from the fat loss.

    Diet is ok, but at night time, cut the crakcer and have, say, cottage cheese.  Alsio increase veg intake
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/04 17:28:00 (permalink)
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    I would say a) you're eating too much and b) there are still too many carbs in that diet c) veg intake is too low. Lettuce & cucumbers are pretty useless IMHO. Lots of water & cellulose and not much else. Stick to spinach & broccoli if you can.

    You have a pretty gruelling workout schedule there. So glad to be bulking at the mo! Swimming half a mile on an empty tum at 6am is particularly evil! Is the other cardio SSCV or HIIT?

    DT

    p.s. I'll be surprised if you make it to week 8 on that schedule without getting a nasty cold or sore throat. You WILL wear down your body's defenses at that level of intensity.
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/04 17:30:12 (permalink)
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    James, isn't it normal to loose a bit of muscle while cutting? I definitely notice some loss on my legs (which don't seem to hold much fat even at the peak of a bulking cycle anyway).

    DT
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/04 18:49:27 (permalink)
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    James

    Hi mate

    Are you sure you're losing mass?  Sometimes when you lose weight, it seems that you're losing mass, but in reality you've merely lost body girth from the fat loss.

    Diet is ok, but at night time, cut the crakcer and have, say, cottage cheese.  Alsio increase veg intake


    Hey James,
     
    Thanks for the reply!
    I woudnt say iv lost mass i would most certainly say some muscle has been burt away for fuel but i see what you mean by the 'losing body girth from the fat loss'
     
    Yeah i cant stand cottage cheese i really want to like it but i just cant stomach it not sainsburys anyway! Yeah i stopped the cracker meal at night and have been having a 12 hour release protein formula, but its bit expensive and will run out soon.
     
    ..but you think diet is ok, cool thats ok then! I am deffo losing fat i can see if going off my stomach which mainly where its left but i havebt got a ripped stomach that i would like. Any tips?
     
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/04 19:06:25 (permalink)
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    Dynamic Turtle

    I would say a) you're eating too much and b) there are still too many carbs in that diet c) veg intake is too low. Lettuce & cucumbers are pretty useless IMHO. Lots of water & cellulose and not much else. Stick to spinach & broccoli if you can.

    You have a pretty gruelling workout schedule there. So glad to be bulking at the mo! Swimming half a mile on an empty tum at 6am is particularly evil! Is the other cardio SSCV or HIIT?

    DT

    p.s. I'll be surprised if you make it to week 8 on that schedule without getting a nasty cold or sore throat. You WILL wear down your body's defenses at that level of intensity.


    Hi thanks for your input,
    Eating too much! ..if i eat any less il be skin and bones and for having too many carbs im at a bare minimum, i need some decent carb allowance or il not be able to perform in the pool or do my weights. Granted veg is too low i agree on that ! il try and up the veg and agree salad leafs are useless source of nutrients.
     
    It will be a mix between SSCV and HIIT.  i try and do 2 sessions 40-60mins of just SSCV a week and swimming will be a toss up between the two cos i have been finishing with sprints.
     
    Yeah im pretty shattered to be honest but its week six now. iv done something similar for over 15 weeks so il be ok i think! :o)
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/04 21:30:09 (permalink)
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    the carbs in green veg and veg such as peppers, mushrooms, red onions, spring onions, tomato's etc are nt worth worrying about

    eat them a for health and b) they liven up food
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/05 09:14:33 (permalink)
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    apologies for typos!
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/05 12:13:03 (permalink)
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    I'd say that if you don't have enough energy to do weights & cardio on the calorie intake you have, do lighter/less cardio.

    DT
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/05 13:23:19 (permalink)
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    Dynamic Turtle

    I'd say that if you don't have enough energy to do weights & cardio on the calorie intake you have, do lighter/less cardio.

    DT


    nah mate, atm im fine on my current calorie intake, you suggested i was eating 'too' much and too many carbs hence what i said in my reply.
     
    Its just fat on my stomach im struggling to get rid of now im toned everywhere else
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/05 17:01:39 (permalink)
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    Yep, the belly & love handles are the first to arrive and the last to leave! As the other posters have said, you're still early in the cycle. Give it time.
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/05 18:00:47 (permalink)
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    Yeah your not wrong! Week six NOW but thought i would have lost more fat than what i have done iv been working really hard, esspecially in the pool!
     
    Have you happned to have come across this book www.TruthAboutAbs.com i havent bought it or read it but from what i know of its contents it seems to conflict every idea i belive to be true regarding cutting.
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/06 16:59:38 (permalink)
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    Dynamic Turtle

    James, isn't it normal to loose a bit of muscle while cutting? I definitely notice some loss on my legs (which don't seem to hold much fat even at the peak of a bulking cycle anyway).

    DT


    You needn't if done slowly and correctly
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/06 20:22:29 (permalink)
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    Good News! Iv found a cottage cheese product i can stomach. I got some cottage cheese with pineapple from sainsburys and i can manage to eat this one much better..still have to hold my nose but iv fixed my bedtime meal.

    Oh the things we do for body beautiful eh!
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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/20 21:53:27 (permalink)
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    Hi mate, having a look as promised by PM

    I can't agree that you're eating more than enough carbs but I do think you can improve on the ones that you're eating. You haven't said what your actual servings are so it's not really possible to say for certain how much you are really having. Come away from the wheat based ones and look at rice, oats, sweet potatoes and potatoes in place of pasta/bread/crackers.

    As said you can get the impression that you are losing muscle when you drop the fat.

    Rather than worry about carb cycling you could always stick to the same level for 6 days and then increase on the 7th.


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    Re:CUTTING AND CARB CYCLE 2009/08/21 13:22:23 (permalink)
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    Hi mate, having a look as promised by PM

    I can't agree that you're eating more than enough carbs but I do think you can improve on the ones that you're eating. You haven't said what your actual servings are so it's not really possible to say for certain how much you are really having. Come away from the wheat based ones and look at rice, oats, sweet potatoes and potatoes in place of pasta/bread/crackers.

    As said you can get the impression that you are losing muscle when you drop the fat.

    Rather than worry about carb cycling you could always stick to the same level for 6 days and then increase on the 7th.

     
    Hi Dawn,
    Hmm it is possible im not having enough carbs for the amount of swimming i have been doing but i was more concerned in buring the fat and so i suppose i have been perhaps bit too strict with dietary carb intake.
     
    Porridge- would be have a cup of oats (cant remeber how much in grams this is) to half cup of milk and half cup of water (standard portion)
     
    Pasta with tom - would be around 100g (seems quite high maybe my scales are wrong) of whole wheat pasta (small/standard portion)
     
     1/2 slices of brown bread - 16.6g (per slice) with baked beans meal - 32.1g
     
     post shake its self will be supplying my body with 60-65g of carbs (maybe bit less, hard to judge)
     
     wholewheat seed Wrap- 27.9g (roughly)
     
    Total Carb intake = 21.97g = Pasta day
    Total Carb intake = 136.6g = Alternating pasta day
     (not taking into acount porridge or the odd sliice of brown bread or wrap i may have later in the day)
    I have been having more rice recently, not sure i agree with potatoes though as im trying to keep to low GI foods.
     
    How do you mean about carb cycle and increase on the 7th day!?
    post edited by pt man - 2009/08/21 13:31:14
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