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2006/07/12 02:14:17 (permalink)

CW Total Body Training

Just wondering if anyones had success with this routine. I started yesterday and it was a fast paced, yet hard workout.
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    JayavarmanVII
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 15:33:40 (permalink)
    Ice-mach is something of a guru on CW's routines. I'm sure his reply is just around the corner. But I'm sure he's had awesome succes with them. I've used a modified version of TBT and had brilliant results.

    Wipe the sand outta yer fanny and get in the f***ing squat rack!
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 15:35:43 (permalink)
    LOL @ Tuffnut. Yeh I have used it, but I used it after a period of fasting of 14 hours every day for a month (religious reasons) so can't really give it a fair analysis.
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 15:56:40 (permalink)
    My mistake. So which of CW's routines gave you the best results?

    Wipe the sand outta yer fanny and get in the f***ing squat rack!
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 16:01:56 (permalink)
    CW is a nut case. No offence to anyone who's had sucess following his routines but he is.
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 16:09:56 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: tuffnutt

    My mistake. So which of CW's routines gave you the best results?


    ABBH and WM
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 16:09:58 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: supermick

    CW is a nut case. No offence to anyone who's had sucess following his routines but he is.


    Care to elaborate on that one mate?

    Wipe the sand outta yer fanny and get in the f***ing squat rack!
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 16:11:01 (permalink)
    Probs to do with his Bodybuildings Next Frontier routine which has you training 8 times per week.
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 16:31:22 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: ice_mach

    Probs to do with his Bodybuildings Next Frontier routine which has you training 8 times per week.

    Bodybuildings next frontier, his rope dumbell collaboration, the constant use of bizarre exercises, his re-invention of bill starr's classic big three workout and a rehash or three of several academic books passed off as 'articles'.
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 17:33:55 (permalink)
    BNF- Yeh I suppose over adventurous, until someone tries out we will never know I suppose. Although you're a regular poster at the nation, did you see Iammarqaos' progress? http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1057591 and he hasnt done too bad with AG1, I know you're her biggest fan lol

    Rope DB collaboration- Yeh a bit stupid dont see the point myself.

    Exercise selection- Hmmm I think his rep range selections are wierder myself, I'd say around 85% of his routines have pretty much standard exercises. By the way what do you think of Gironda and his exercises?

    The next big three- I concur stupid routine.

    Although I have to say quite a lot of his stuff does work quite well for hypertrophy. ABBH has to be the conjugate system at its simplest.
    post edited by ice_mach - 2006/07/12 17:56:06
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 18:38:57 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: ice_mach

    BNF- Yeh I suppose over adventurous, until someone tries out we will never know I suppose. Although you're a regular poster at the nation, did you see Iammarqaos' progress? http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1057591 and he hasnt done too bad with AG1, I know you're her biggest fan lol

    Rope DB collaboration- Yeh a bit stupid dont see the point myself.

    Exercise selection- Hmmm I think his rep range selections are wierder myself, I'd say around 85% of his routines have pretty much standard exercises. By the way what do you think of Gironda and his exercises?

    The next big three- I concur stupid routine.

    Although I have to say quite a lot of his stuff does work quite well for hypertrophy. ABBH has to be the conjugate system at its simplest.


    Concerning AG1 - i wouldnt have dont too bad with her to be fair. She is raw to lifting still and would have responded well to nearly any programme. Her dedication to diet is key though. Very disciplined.

    In addition forgot to mention his whole fighter training routines - Dressed up using every ounce of scientific jargon imagionable. Basically for the cardio component he devised a sport specific circuit to which dozens of readers duely masterbated over. lol.

    Concerning the fellas results - there are loads of contributing factors to his gains of which the programme was one. Its hard to say how big a role it played with the addition of a good diet (4-5000kcals) and AAS - too many variables. Still, not to take it away from him, he made some good gains.

    Disagree about the ABBH and conjugate link. There is more to the conjugate system than having 2 RE days, one heavyish (10x3 for example) and one light (5x10). - do you want to expand your views here bro? I dont think 80% of 1RM can be classed as ME, regardless of it being a triple.
    I think ABBH is one of his better programmes regardless, but for mass and some strength try thibs OVT: -
    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459276

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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 18:51:50 (permalink)
    IMO I view conjugate as a system where by you train two different strength qualities. although 10x3 may not be a ME session. Its definately a different strength quality than 5x10. I dont train for hypetrophy any more rather train to keep healthy but we'll see, I might give his BNF routine a try and OVT too if I get campus accomodation this year (waiting list fingers crossed lol
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 20:19:58 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: ice_mach

    IMO I view conjugate as a system where by you train two different strength qualities. although 10x3 may not be a ME session. Its definately a different strength quality than 5x10. I dont train for hypetrophy any more rather train to keep healthy but we'll see, I might give his BNF routine a try and OVT too if I get campus accomodation this year (waiting list fingers crossed lol


    They are both RE work. Not DE or ME so only one strength quality is trained imo. Its dictated by the load used (he recommends 80% of 1rm) and not the rep range.
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 21:23:28 (permalink)
    Yeh 80 and 60 percent I believe. Could be wrong here but I would think the strength qualities of lifting 80% and 60% are quite different.
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 22:01:56 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: ice_mach

    Yeh 80 and 60 percent I believe. Could be wrong here but I would think the strength qualities of lifting 80% and 60% are quite different.


    90% or over = ME
    DE is regular lifts at 45-55% at a power load or ballistic exercises/olympic lifts.

    60-80% is RE work. Plus the conjugate system (a more complicated complesx system if you like) involves introducing some seperate specific means that have a cumulitave effect on all the training loads. One reson why westside combine DE is the effect is has on the ME - for instance, an increase in the rate of force producition at the start of a lift. I dont see how this applies to ABBH.
    Could you expand?
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 22:04:47 (permalink)
    I suppose Im not looking at it from a ME,RE,DE point of view Mick, its one of those things which makes sense in my mind but I dont know how to put into words.
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 22:11:02 (permalink)
    BTW on a side note, aint seen you on msn as of late bro
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/12 22:15:31 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: ice_mach

    BTW on a side note, aint seen you on msn as of late bro


    Aol have made an enemy for life. Ill explain when they sort me out. lol.
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/13 01:13:46 (permalink)
    i think ive been hijacked!!!lol
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    RE: CW Total Body Training 2006/07/13 10:22:23 (permalink)
    Sorry mate, but to answer your question, my training at the partner at the time, said when he went back to Italy people said he had changed a lot.
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