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2007/06/20 21:08:24 (permalink)
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Calling veggies

Hi there
Im just wondering if theres some of u veggies out there who have been on a cut, any advice as I am currently planning my diet?
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    Big Les
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/06/20 21:11:16 (permalink)
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    What sort of veggie
    Fish, dairy especially make a huge difference.
    as does the quality of your veg.

    Ta
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/06/24 15:14:19 (permalink)
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    umm i dont eat fish, or eggs aswell just to make things more interesting . Also i was wondering was 1200 cals okay for going on a cut or is this too low?
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/06/24 15:29:20 (permalink)
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    What are your stats? ? ?
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/06/24 16:06:29 (permalink)
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    Cutting on a pure vegitarian diet it pretty straight forward.

    I just drop the calories by about 30% and try to cut off the carbs a few hours before bed.

    Add in some unfueled cardio in the AM and the bf% drops pretty quickly.
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/06/24 16:16:56 (permalink)
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    If you have any saught of size which IMO you should have if your gonna cut, then 1200 kcals is way to low regardless of your stats.

    What are your stats?
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/06/24 17:54:45 (permalink)
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    age: 20
    height: just 6ft
    weight: 179lbs - 81kg - 12.8 stones
    body f: 17% - 25% Approx.
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/06/24 23:13:03 (permalink)
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    what kind of veggie are you, lacto ovo or vegan
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/07/01 15:23:20 (permalink)
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    I lacto ovo veggie

    I have made the diet below, including cardio running in morn before breakfast at least 5 times a week at low intensity.
    Main aim is to CUT (lower bf).

    Please give me suggestions to improve:

    7.30am – Breakfast: Weetabix + whey in milk. (1scp) 25g
    10.45am – 2 whole wheat bread + low fat cottage cheese + Fruit 27g
    13:00pm- Mixed salad + nuts + 2 whey scp in milk 45g
    15:45pm- Full veg + quorn burgers / or pasta + quark 25g
    16:40 - weetabix only if before training.
    17:15pm- Train (Weights) to 18:15pm Max.
    19:30pm – After weights: 2 scps whey pro in semi skimmed milk (2scp) 40g
    20:30pm - 1/2 pots of yoghurt + Cottage cheese 25g
    21:45pm – Protein shake in milk. (2scp) 46g

    Approx: 230g of protein.
    Cals: havent calculated yet (inc carbs and fat) but i want to keep under about 1800 in order to cut successfully?
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/07/03 00:24:52 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: lethal_2005

    I lacto ovo veggie

    I have made the diet below, including cardio running in morn before breakfast at least 5 times a week at low intensity.
    Main aim is to CUT (lower bf).

    Please give me suggestions to improve:

    7.30am – Breakfast: Weetabix + whey in milk. (1scp) 25g
    10.45am – 2 whole wheat bread + low fat cottage cheese + Fruit 27g
    13:00pm- Mixed salad + nuts + 2 whey scp in milk 45g
    15:45pm- Full veg + quorn burgers / or pasta + quark 25g
    16:40 - weetabix only if before training.
    17:15pm- Train (Weights) to 18:15pm Max.
    19:30pm – After weights: 2 scps whey pro in semi skimmed milk (2scp) 40g
    20:30pm - 1/2 pots of yoghurt + Cottage cheese 25g
    21:45pm – Protein shake in milk. (2scp) 46g

    Approx: 230g of protein.
    Cals: havent calculated yet (inc carbs and fat) but i want to keep under about 1800 in order to cut successfully?


    You said in a previous post that you don't eat eggs. This means you're not a lacto (milk-drinking) ovo (egg-eating) vegetarian.

    Your diet seems very heavy on the dairy. Quorn is decent stuff. Ever tried tofu (soy bean curd)? That can be pretty good when cooked nicely, and soy is a good source of protein. The hard thing about being vegetarian or vegan is that most protein-rich foods are also either carbohydrate-rich.
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/07/03 03:40:41 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: lethal_2005

    I lacto ovo veggie

    I have made the diet below, including cardio running in morn before breakfast at least 5 times a week at low intensity.
    Main aim is to CUT (lower bf).

    Please give me suggestions to improve:

    7.30am – Breakfast: Weetabix + whey in milk. (1scp) 25g
    10.45am – 2 whole wheat bread + low fat cottage cheese + Fruit 27g
    13:00pm- Mixed salad + nuts + 2 whey scp in milk 45g
    15:45pm- Full veg + quorn burgers / or pasta + quark 25g
    16:40 - weetabix only if before training.
    17:15pm- Train (Weights) to 18:15pm Max.
    19:30pm – After weights: 2 scps whey pro in semi skimmed milk (2scp) 40g
    20:30pm - 1/2 pots of yoghurt + Cottage cheese 25g
    21:45pm – Protein shake in milk. (2scp) 46g

    Approx: 230g of protein.
    Cals: havent calculated yet (inc carbs and fat) but i want to keep under about 1800 in order to cut successfully?


    Breakfast - whey alone for protein is a poor choice as it is fast acting. Add some solid protein here.
    13.00 - as above
    16.40 - for fueling a workout I'd use something slower acting than weetabix such as sweet potatoe/rice/pasta/wholemeal pitta. IMO only of course.
    19.30 - i'd use water instead of milk and I'd add 70g of carbs. Do not worry about consuming carbs, during PWO your body will burn them up easily. Feed you body what it needs at this point!
    21.45 - again if your protein shake is whey only then change it to something lower acting such as miscellar caisien or somethign solid such as quark.

    Diet is also very low on EFA, in particular omega3. Add flax oil/linseeds. Most of your meals lack fat.
    1800 calories is likely to be very low and quite possibly unsustainable tbh. Bump up the calories a bit to say 2200 and monitor and adjust from there.
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/07/03 22:40:27 (permalink)
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    Thanks guys for those replies. Chris M & Tokar. I have made the following adjustments, I think I want to cut down on meals as my jobs doesnt allow me particularly well to eat (only get 1 hour lunch break and 15mins break which are 6 hours apart), off to the locker room to eat .

    7.30am – Breakfast: Weetabix + Protein bar (for solid protein?)
    10.45am – Low fat cottage cheese + Fruit 27g
    13:00pm- Mixed salad + nuts + 2 whey scp in milk 45g + veggie ham pieces
    15:45pm- Full veg + quorn burgers + quark 25g
    16:40 - Pasta only b4 training
    17:15pm- Train (Weights) to 18:15pm Max.
    19:30pm – After weights: 2 scps whey pro in water(2scp) 40g + fruit or 2 whole wheat bread pieces.
    20:30pm - 1/2 pots of yoghurt + Cottage cheese 25g + flax seed oil.
    21:45pm – Protein shake in milk + quark/quorn pieces. (1scp) 40g
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/07/04 00:36:27 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: lethal_2005

    7.30am – Breakfast: Weetabix in skimmed milk with 20g casein

    10.45am – Low fat cottage cheese mixed with 10g whey + Fruit 27g

    13:00pm- Mixed salad + nuts + 2 casein scp in milk 45g + veggie ham pieces

    15:45pm- Full veg + quorn burgers + quark 25g

    16:40 - Pasta only b4 training- personally i'd have a little bit of protein here too

    17:15pm- Train (Weights) to 18:15pm Max.

    19:30pm – After weights: 2 scps whey pro in water(2scp) 40g + dextrose/maltodextrin rather than fruit

    20:30pm - 1/2 pots of yoghurt + Cottage cheese 25g + flax seed oil.

    21:45pm – Protein shake in skimmed milk + quark/quorn pieces. (1scp) 40g


    Doesn't look too bad i suppose mate. Personally i would have a problem eating dairy all day but then i guess you're used to it? I don't have a table at hand to confirm this but i'm pretty sure that on a like for like basis most dairy and 'fake meat' protein sources are inferior to meat based sources in terms of aminos/biological value. With that in mind you might want to add a small amount of whey or preferably a casein based blend to some meals as above? This might be a great inconvenience but i manage it most days, if not then maybe mix protein sources at meals wherever you can... although i'm sure you'll be fine enough this is all a bit anal lol
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/07/04 10:50:31 (permalink)
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    the plant based protein sources are not inferior provided you have a pretty normal varied and diverse diet (in terms of amino acid breakup). You would beed to be a bit special to be able to eat so badly and lop sided diet to lack any of the essential amino acids.

    There are also numerous plant based sources with pretty damn good amino acid profile, but its not necessary to focus on those.

    Not that this stuff would make a blind bit of difference to all but the top guys in the world though
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/07/04 16:23:54 (permalink)
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    Thanks again lads for your input.

    I feel as though Im going to be eating too much in the current diet plan, should I either get rid of the 15:45 meal or reduce all/some of portion sizes of the meals.

    I have never taken casein, I have got some whey protein at home which I always use. Im not a big man on supplements is there a good outlet or supplier where I can get this casein in bulk at a cheap price, as I believe most of the supplements are the same and just due to the name allows suppliers to charge rip of prices.

    Im going count all the calories etc pretty soon if I find that by next week there is no gradual loss or reduction in body fat/weight should I reduce the meal portion sizes further or what.

    Thanks.

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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/07/04 16:35:25 (permalink)
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    There seems to be a lot of dairy in there. You'll have an arse like Mount Vesuvius.
    Do you like / even know about TVP? Great stuff. Seeing as you like Quorn you'll probably be into it, and it's a fraction of the cost as well as higher in protein.
    Even using soya instead of some of your dairy powders may help.
    post edited by daveo - 2007/07/04 16:36:30

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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/07/04 21:46:43 (permalink)
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    Lol daveo ass like mt vesuvius.
    After some re-jigging Ive come up with the following:

    7.30am – Breakfast: Weetabix in skimmed milk with 20g casein

    10.45am – whey in milk + Fruit

    13:00pm- Nuts + 2 casein scp in milk 45g + veggie ham pieces

    15:45pm- Full veg + quorn burgers + quark 25g

    16:40 - Pasta/Weetabix only b4 training

    17:15pm- Train (Weights) to 18:15pm Max.

    19:30pm – After weights: 2 scps whey pro in water(2scp) 40g

    (In conjunction to the 19:30 shakes is it paramount to have dextrose/maltodextrin?
    What does it do exactly as I said Im not a big fan of supplements!)

    20:30pm - Some TVP* products + flax seed oil.


    21:45pm – Protein shake in skimmed milk + quorn pieces. (1scp) 40g



    *Found the following link for some TVP products which ones should I go for?
    http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/sect/FVMSM.html

    Still a few questions:

    1) I feel as though Im going to be eating too much in the current diet plan, should I either get rid of the 15:45 meal or reduce all/some of portion sizes of the meals.

    2) I have never taken casein, I have got some whey protein at home which I always use. Im not a big fan on supplements is there a good outlet or supplier where I can get this casein in bulk at a cheap price, as I believe most of the supplements are the same and just due to the name allows suppliers to charge rip of prices. Also as I stated above is it paramount to have dextrose/maltodextrin?

    Thanks a lot guys
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    RE: Calling veggies 2007/07/05 10:24:29 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: lethal_2005
    2) I have never taken casein, I have got some whey protein at home which I always use. Im not a big fan on supplements is there a good outlet or supplier where I can get this casein in bulk at a cheap price, as I believe most of the supplements are the same and just due to the name allows suppliers to charge rip of prices. Also as I stated above is it paramount to have dextrose/maltodextrin?

    Thanks a lot guys



    Myprotein is probably your best bet for casein.
    You don't have to have dex/malto, but dex is cheap and convenient. Yes is is well advised to have some sort of simple carb after training, but you could have a complex one like oats if you don't like the idea.

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