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2015/02/27 19:07:44 (permalink)
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Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on?

I've seen loads of posts (whilst browsing these forums over the years) saying with proper PCT you can keep your gains. I'm starting to think you just can't... 
 
 
My last cycle of SD for example. I gained 8lb, I'm sure not all of it was pure muscle but SD is supposed to be a dry compound, so I can't imagine too much of it was water weight and I watched my calorie intake like a hawk and was very conservative (made the mistake of gaining too much fat too quickly a few times now on a bulk) so I can't imagine any of it would be fat.
 
 
I've lost about 3lb of that now (I'm on the final/fourth week of PCT) and I've increased calorie intake a lot post cycle. It could be due to stress and lack of sleep (especially this last week) but the same thing happened last time (done SD, few months later got too fat, started a cut and lost a lot of muscle)
 
 
Is is just Superdrol that does this? 
Maybe it's time to start injecting instead? Would you keep more of the gains cycling Test E for example instead?
 
I'm just wondering what thoughts you guys had on the subject.
post edited by Metaled - 2015/02/27 20:26:41

   
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/02/27 20:31:05 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby sleezdude 2015/03/03 19:29:28
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I've done 3 cycles over 3 years.

I've kept all my gains (strength, size, and weight).

That also includes 12 months off in between.

Calories, rest, heavy 5x5 = better chance.

That said, if you did 3 yrs of juice and put on 5 stone of lean muscle - you'd struggle!

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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/02/27 20:42:51 (permalink)
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When i had an sd cycle i put on about 15 pounds and i only kept 9 pounds after PCT. 8 pound on sd sounds really slim to me as sd is one of the strongest compound out there with most sides as well.  Thats the reason i would never do sd cycle again. Gains compare to sides, it is not worth it to me. I love my liver :) If you work it out i lost 40% of the gains.  I do not think you would keep all the gains on any ph or as but with a good pct you can keep most of it. The only thing i have ever kept all the gains was Ostarine without any pct. Gained about 4 pounds and lost about 3 pounds fat same time and i kept all the gains.
But this is just me.
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/02/27 21:13:23 (permalink)
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how do you know your recovered in your current pct regiment. perhaps you need to lengthen it. defo stress and lack of sleep won't help either

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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/02/28 13:46:53 (permalink)
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The only thing i have ever kept all the gains was Ostarine without any pct




 
Which brand of Osta was that mate?
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/02/28 16:57:36 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby adam p 2015/03/02 15:49:46
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The only thing i have ever kept all the gains was Ostarine without any pct




 
Which brand of Osta was that mate?


 
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/02/28 20:12:33 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby bakermanus 2015/02/28 20:27:27
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Despite being "dry" SD causes a lot of intramuscular water/glycogen storage. Because it's inside the muscle it doesn't look like bloat, just looks like a really good pump. All steroids do this to some extent but SD, of all I know, is the one that does it best. This could be responsible for over half of the weight you put on, and that weight is coming off post cycle no matter what.
 
Test E also does this (like I said all steroids do), plus it adds actual water bloat (sub-q). That's also coming off post cycle. The intramuscular retention from test is much lower than SD, so there's less to be lost there, and the water retention depends on dose, how prone you are to estrogen bloat (which varies greatly between individuals) and whether you use an AI (and how much of it of course).
 
In terms of actual muscle tissue gained, if you do everything right you can keep most to all of it, if you are below your genetic limit. If the cycle took you above this limit, then you're simply holding more muscle tissue than your own natural hormones can support, and you'll lose it. The only way to hold more gains after you're maxed your genetic potential for muscle tissue is to stay on gear, and the higher above this natural limit you want to be the more you'll need to stay on permanently.
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/02/28 20:28:21 (permalink)
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Despite being "dry" SD causes a lot of intramuscular water/glycogen storage. Because it's inside the muscle it doesn't look like bloat, just looks like a really good pump. All steroids do this to some extent but SD, of all I know, is the one that does it best. This could be responsible for over half of the weight you put on, and that weight is coming off post cycle no matter what.
 
Test E also does this (like I said all steroids do), plus it adds actual water bloat (sub-q). That's also coming off post cycle. The intramuscular retention from test is much lower than SD, so there's less to be lost there, and the water retention depends on dose, how prone you are to estrogen bloat (which varies greatly between individuals) and whether you use an AI (and how much of it of course).
 
In terms of actual muscle tissue gained, if you do everything right you can keep most to all of it, if you are below your genetic limit. If the cycle took you above this limit, then you're simply holding more muscle tissue than your own natural hormones can support, and you'll lose it. The only way to hold more gains after you're maxed your genetic potential for muscle tissue is to stay on gear, and the higher above this natural limit you want to be the more you'll need to stay on permanently.





Well said.
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/03/01 11:50:52 (permalink)
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I think not 100% gains and strengh but most of it yes
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/03/01 19:45:21 (permalink)
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Mass? Probably not. Strength? Not a chance.
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/03/03 14:13:53 (permalink)
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Mass? Probably not. Strength? Not a chance.




So you're saying you lose everything after every cycle?
 
What's the point in taking it if you can't hold onto anything, is this personal experience?
 
I'm interested as im thinking of a new cycle, I can't back anything up since last time I ran a cycle and PCT I quit the gym straight after PCT! so lost it all anyway.

 
 
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/03/03 15:43:37 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2015/03/04 13:26:34
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No I'm not saying that, but like already said a lot of the mass you gain is intramuscular water, so obviously you won't keep that. Muscle, yeah don't see why you can't hold onto that. Strength, no way, it's a drug you've taken to increase strength, when you take that drug away you will always lose some of that strength gained, it would be crazy to think otherwise.
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/03/03 17:21:03 (permalink)
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^^^^This 

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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/03/03 17:27:08 (permalink)
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No I'm not saying that, but like already said a lot of the mass you gain is intramuscular water, so obviously you won't keep that. Muscle, yeah don't see why you can't hold onto that. Strength, no way, it's a drug you've taken to increase strength, when you take that drug away you will always lose some of that strength gained, it would be crazy to think otherwise.




Ok, your comment was just a bit misleading.
 
So you can hold onto your muscle but you will lose all the water and **** that comes with taking the drug, strength is gonna be shot to ****

 
 
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/03/03 17:55:40 (permalink)
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No your strength won't be shot, but you will always lose some of it.
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/03/03 18:16:44 (permalink)
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What about "gains" made while cutting?  Will you become a watery bloaty mess once you stop?
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/03/03 18:55:09 (permalink)
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What about "gains" made while cutting?  Will you become a watery bloaty mess once you stop?


Is that a serious question?
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/03/03 19:49:54 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2015/03/04 13:27:28
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In the past ive kinda crashed a bit post cycle and lost some strength and size but ive learnt with experience that it dosnt have to be this way.
 
Firstly I changed the way id been training. In the past I would try to keep up with the split workouts , 5 days a week, high volume and heavy routine I could do while "on" .
Also I changed my diet. I used to try and keep the condition I was when on the course by eating clean with medium to low carbs high fats etc. Again this was a mistake.
 
What I do now is eat, eat , eat ! anything and everything. yeah you will gain some fat but you will also keep the muscle and strength which leads me onto the training.
Forget the high volume splits and hours in the gym, now its all about recovery. Heavy basic compounds , squat, dead, bench, overhead press etc these are your new best friends. 3 day split or possibly 4 and low reps 3-6, basically more a power lifting/strength routine.
 
Not only did this change keep my mind focused and motivated it also gave my body the extra rest it needed between workouts and my cns a rest from the high volume.
 
I stick with this for a few months till I feel im fully back to normal , hormone levels etc. Then start to go back to a bodybuilding routine by slowly adding a few isolation exercises , increasing rep ranges.
 
Basically let ya body rest more in the first few months, increase calories till ya feel yaself again and keep training simple and effective.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/03/03 19:50:09 (permalink)
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It was.  I am referring to the fact that PH/DS can be used to reach lower levels of body fat that the user would of struggled to reach naturally.  So when they stop taking the DS what happens in this scenario?
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Re: Can you really keep your gains post cycle without staying on? 2015/03/03 19:55:36 (permalink)
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The water drops off, (if gained in the first place) and you have a leaner body. Only fat increases when you up the cals.
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