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2014/12/25 01:14:41 (permalink)
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Cannabis

Should it be totally legalised and therefore taxed and controlled?
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Re: Cannabis 2014/12/25 03:43:27 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby trueblue316 2015/01/07 02:14:42
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Legal yes. Taxed no. It is a plant a monkey could grow it. So tired of some politician wanting to profit off of everything I do. They need to learn to live within their budgets and not look for new ways to extort money.
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Re: 2014/12/25 08:11:19 (permalink)
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Mdma is safe why probably the safest illegal drug there is, not that I've ever tried it I'm just going off what my monkeys cousins said
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Re: Cannabis 2014/12/25 08:27:27 (permalink)
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I'd like to see a complete reform of current drug laws tbh. All we have now is people finding loopholes which lets them sell completely untested and potentially dangerous 'research chemicals' which are killing people every weekend.

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Re: Cannabis 2014/12/25 08:31:14 (permalink)
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Definitely.
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Re: Cannabis 2014/12/25 10:06:33 (permalink)
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A total reform of all drug laws, including alcohol, tobacco, vapes, even high caffeine drinks, is urgently required. Base the new laws on EVIDENCE, not tabloid headlines and hysteria.
 
It'll never happen, the elite have fought against cannabis for centuries, they hate it.
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Re: 2014/12/25 11:09:01 (permalink)
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Crooks I tried something called dragon soop last summer, some kind of high caffeine vodka drink and honestly I thought I need to go to the emergency room! I felt seriously ill, racing heart felt dizzy it felt like I'd taken an ounce of speed and I had this feeling for over 12 hours and spent the whole night with my heart racing.

Maybe it was accidently dosed with too much caffeine but it was horrendous.

It annoys the life out of me tobacco and alcohol are legal yet the two are the most addictive and harmful drugs on the planet - it's okay to let people live the last few years of their life with serious health conditions as long as they can collect the tax from these drugs

If they outlawed tobacco and alcohol the country would crumble, the day has to come where some illegal drugs will be legalised it can't really continue not with the lab geeks constantly pumping out new untested legal highs
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Re: 2014/12/25 12:26:20 (permalink)
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It's actually ridiculous that it is illegal.
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Re: 2014/12/25 13:01:25 (permalink)
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Should be legal and should be taxed imo. However I think maybe they should go somewhere in the middle and adopt US style laws i.e. Doc Scrpt for it then pay from there. I also think if it was legal the quality would be better and consistent. 
 
I don't smoke a lot of draw but I always have a 20 bag in a cupboard just in case I can't sleep or want to chill out. 
 
I wouldn't advocate legalisation of MDMA, LSD or Heroin though even though I think Cocaine should be legal. 

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Re: Cannabis 2014/12/25 13:02:27 (permalink)
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A total reform of all drug laws, including alcohol, tobacco, vapes, even high caffeine drinks, is urgently required. Base the new laws on EVIDENCE, not tabloid headlines and hysteria.
 
It'll never happen, the elite have fought against cannabis for centuries, they hate it.




Not really - only for the last 100 years or so.
Before that you could buy cannabis quite openly, over the counter, in any chemists shop in europe or america. It didnt cause any problems back then and wasnt demonised or regarded as a problem (according to Queen Victoia's doctor's diaries, he gave it to her quite regularly for period pains, and she enjoyed using it).
Things changed in the 20th centuy - partly because anti-cannabis laws were a way of controlling mexican immigrants in the US (who tended to smoke weed rather than drink), partl because after alcohol prohibition in the US turned out to be a disaster the police and FBI needed something new to focus on, and partly because of pressure from the oil industry (Henry Ford's early vehicles all ran on hemp oil rather than gasoline)


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Re: 2014/12/25 13:12:00 (permalink)
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Should be legal and should be taxed imo. However I think maybe they should go somewhere in the middle and adopt US style laws i.e. Doc Scrpt for it then pay from there. I also think if it was legal the quality would be better and consistent. 
 
I don't smoke a lot of draw but I always have a 20 bag in a cupboard just in case I can't sleep or want to chill out. 
 
I wouldn't advocate legalisation of MDMA, LSD or Heroin though even though I think Cocaine should be legal. 


Why not legalise mdma? It's safer than cannabis! They did a controlled study on channel 4 and there have been others that proved mdma can help with depression and other illnesses. No adverse effects on the brain I used to take massive amounts of mdma, my friend used to take massive amounts of cannabis now he currently resides in hospital with serious mental health issues.

It's always pot smokers that say pot should be legal but not mdma etc, I've had several friends end up with serious psychiatric probelms through smoking cannabis one even cut his thumb off one night for no apparent reason.

They did a test in toilets for cocaine use and they found that there was more cocaine use in the house of commons toilets than there was in several nightclubs toilets.

I do believe cannabis should be legal as well as mdma, but really where would you stop some would say you can't legalise one and not the other.

I've never tried a legal high and I'd never take mdma again despite it being perfectly safe I just don't feel like getting high these days.
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Re: 2014/12/25 13:12:39 (permalink)
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Re: 2014/12/25 13:28:55 (permalink)
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MDMA came out as a marriage counseling drug. Was so effective no longer available. Think about it. You want to be nice, attentive, talkative, and have sex. Those are the main problems in a marriage. They make too much money on divorce court.
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Re: Cannabis 2014/12/25 13:44:09 (permalink)
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crooks
A total reform of all drug laws, including alcohol, tobacco, vapes, even high caffeine drinks, is urgently required. Base the new laws on EVIDENCE, not tabloid headlines and hysteria.
 
It'll never happen, the elite have fought against cannabis for centuries, they hate it.




Not really - only for the last 100 years or so.
Before that you could buy cannabis quite openly, over the counter, in any chemists shop in europe or america. It didnt cause any problems back then and wasnt demonised or regarded as a problem (according to Queen Victoia's doctor's diaries, he gave it to her quite regularly for period pains, and she enjoyed using it).
Things changed in the 20th centuy - partly because anti-cannabis laws were a way of controlling mexican immigrants in the US (who tended to smoke weed rather than drink), partl because after alcohol prohibition in the US turned out to be a disaster the police and FBI needed something new to focus on, and partly because of pressure from the oil industry (Henry Ford's early vehicles all ran on hemp oil rather than gasoline)




Fair comments, but there's more to it. The timber and paper industry, monopolised by the Hearst family last century, fought hard against hemp as it would have ruined them. The health benefits, you can't patent a plant that can be grown by anyone so there was serious lobbying by the pharma companies too, it's only recently that hemp seeds have become widely available.
 
Then add to that the effects of cannabis, most just chill out but many also think deeper about things, ideas are formed, creative minds expand a little, this is always a threat to the elite.
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Re: 2014/12/25 13:56:19 (permalink)
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MDMA came out as a marriage counseling drug. Was so effective no longer available. Think about it. You want to be nice, attentive, talkative, and have sex. Those are the main problems in a marriage. They make too much money on divorce court.


Seriously? It sure made my life more fun in general! I used to love my friends mandy and Charlie, I don't miss them the day after I seen them though.
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Re: Cannabis 2014/12/25 15:43:26 (permalink)
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Legal yes. Taxed no. It is a plant a monkey could grow it. So tired of some politician wanting to profit off of everything I do. They need to learn to live within their budgets and not look for new ways to extort money.

couldn't have put it better myself.
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Re: Cannabis 2014/12/25 16:15:44 (permalink)
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Legalised, yes, taxed, no.

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Re: Cannabis 2014/12/25 16:53:25 (permalink)
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Without the V.A.T it won't even be considered. I don't do it but have tried a few times. Tbh wish it was legal with precautions/safety in place, you know, similar to alcohol, smoking....I often get 'well if cannabis was legal the country would come to a stand still' My reply is well, you can say the same for alcohol and it's consequences. Those found pissed at work or drink driving should be punished, same goes for being stoned on weed....?


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Re: Cannabis 2014/12/25 18:19:39 (permalink)
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I haven't smoked Cannabis in over twenty years but would like to try it again. I don't know anyone who sells it, but the annoying thing is that in the UK we have a higher percentage that is mixed with impurities. Legalising this would make the product safe so I would then know I am not taking rat poison or something. I hate the idea of politicians controlling me or deciding what I can take. I would like to punch Cameron and a few others on the nose.
 
While on the subject of drugs / alcohol, I think there is a very useful purpose for them. I avoided drugs through my late teens and twenties, but I would probably have benefited from using them responsibly. I had a lot of anxiety and depression, and I think being sober and in my own head all the time only made my situation worse. Drugs do have a beneficial / social role for some people it seems.
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Re: Cannabis 2014/12/26 14:05:11 (permalink)
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The problem is people not drugs.
The reason that these drugs can not be made legal is because the drugs have a bad reputation, caused by people over indulging in them.
I have actually seen this...(i swear)...
A four day sex party, non stop. The people didnt sleep for four days. Kept topping up with MCAT and MDMA. It turned some of them paranoid, there was a massive fight between them. One guy jumped from a seventh floor balcony down to the sixth and was hanging from it by his hands because he thought people wanted to kill him. When he was co hearsed onto the right side of the balcony railings he kicked off and bit four people.

Two guys took gbl to the point that they became zombie like. They couldnt stand. Each time they tried they fell to the floor without protecting their heads and banged them. There was blood everywhere! Seperate occasion a guy on gbl went into a rage and banged his head repeatedly on everything he could. Put himself into unconsciousness. Had a bleed on the brain and his head and face was swollen. Never seen anything as gruesome and blood covered as this before.

As for cannabis, seriously go to your local hospital, to the mental health section. Ask them the percentage of patients that are regular users of cannabis. I'll save you the trip, its over 95%.

Drugs cant be legalized because people that are vulnerable to their own indulgencies need to be protected. They dont have the ability to moderate themselves so it has to be done for them. Vulnerable people. These people have set the standards for everyone else. Its unfair but its the way it is.

As for alcohol. Its the same as all the other drugs. People that are unable to control their intake and realize when they have had enough has given it a bad name. I live in the city centre and my god have i seen things go wrong. Its a scary place to be sober sometimes.
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