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2014/10/01 21:37:48 (permalink)

Capital punishment

Would you be for or against it?

I don't see why we waste tax payers money on keeping some criminals alive. I watched the documentary on Sarah Payne lastnight and the amount of pain that one man has given that family is beyond comprehension how he is aloud to carry on his life (albeit behind bars) I do not know, when that family will have to suffer the pain he has given them everyday.
I'm not saying if he was dead they would stop suffering but me personally and I think a lot of other people will agree if they were in that situation it would help ease the pain.
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/01 21:53:24 (permalink)
tricky subject , if it was beyond all reasonable doubt with the approval of the affected families then I don't see why not , as long as the cost to the tax payer was not more than keeping them in prison
 
no death row  or appeals, someone like Ian Huntley would be an ideal candidate in my books.
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/02 00:52:01 (permalink)
As an individual I have no particular problem with executing those guilty of the worst crimes.
 
But as a member of society I would not be happy to hand the power of life and death to the legal system.  There's a quote somewhere about judging a society by how it treats its prisoners and I think there is something to that.
 
I know it costs a fortune to keep these animals but I'd take the financial aspect out of my final decision.  There are many people the world would be better off without, I'd like to see them gone but my feeling is that it is the wrong direction to go to have a a society that has execution as it's ultimate deterrent/answer.  I'm a bit on the fence tbh.
 
 
post edited by Fruity - 2014/10/02 00:53:07
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/02 06:18:17 (permalink)
Im against it for 1 reason it does not work IF it worked then yeah i would back it all the way people are still killing it has not stopped any 1 killing its totally no deterrent. 
 
Also the cost of carrying out these sentances are £££££££ not cheap.
 
+ 3 states Ohio,Oaklahomer,Arizona cant even carry the sentance properly they have all just botched 3 sentances up.
post edited by gavin882 - 2014/10/02 07:08:20
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/02 08:10:46 (permalink)
I think we should take a step back in time on this one, forget death row etc as that's a farce, child killers should be killed in the worst way possible IMO.

And don't give me human f*cking rights, what rights do these children have when they're being taken abused and murdered by these scum bags! They have no rights, this is one crime that needs putting stop to and punishments for this in particular should be far more extreme.

And with this latest one in particular he's already got away with stabbing to death some poor innocent women yet no he's taken some poor innocent 14 year old girls life, if that doesn't deserve a horrible death then nothing does, it's a disgrace.

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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/02 08:33:01 (permalink)
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I think we should take a step back in time on this one, forget death row etc as that's a farce, child killers should be killed in the worst way possible IMO.

And don't give me human f*cking rights, what rights do these children have when they're being taken abused and murdered by these scum bags! They have no rights, this is one crime that needs putting stop to and punishments for this in particular should be far more extreme.

And with this latest one in particular he's already got away with stabbing to death some poor innocent women yet no he's taken some poor innocent 14 year old girls life, if that doesn't deserve a horrible death then nothing does, it's a disgrace.



Mak you cant be any more bang on with what you say m8 BUT there is human rights & there aint nothing any 1 can do about it. The law will never change to allow any sort of horrible deaths to any prisoners. I fully agree life for a life but theres rules to it & they aint going to change.
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/02 09:14:04 (permalink)
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Im against it for 1 reason it does not work IF it worked then yeah i would back it all the way people are still killing it has not stopped any 1 killing its totally no deterrent. 
 
Also the cost of carrying out these sentances are £££££££ not cheap.
 
+ 3 states Ohio,Oaklahomer,Arizona cant even carry the sentance properly they have all just botched 3 sentances up.




I am pretty sure that killing someone stops them becoming a repeat offender, excluding Freddy Kruger, Jason Vorhees, and Mike Myers
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/02 09:15:03 (permalink)
I am for it if proved beyond reasonable doubt.
I am also for castration of sex offenders (not chemical but physical) prior to sending them to jail
 
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/02 09:19:48 (permalink)
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Im against it for 1 reason it does not work IF it worked then yeah i would back it all the way people are still killing it has not stopped any 1 killing its totally no deterrent. 
 
Also the cost of carrying out these sentances are £££££££ not cheap.
 
+ 3 states Ohio,Oaklahomer,Arizona cant even carry the sentance properly they have all just botched 3 sentances up.




I am pretty sure that killing someone stops them becoming a repeat offender, excluding Freddy Kruger, Jason Vorhees, and Mike Myers




LOL yes we all know that BUT its not stopping people going out & killing tho is it...????!!!!! As i pointed out in the other thread there has been a few big murder cases in USA over the last couple weeks/months where the offender has been charged with Capitol murder & they knew there state carries that sentance & they also knew they risk getting that sentance by committing murder & its not stopped them so no it doesnt really work & its not going to stop people killing either.
 
 
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/02 09:51:18 (permalink)
One big problem with capital punishment is what happens when mistakes are made.  Case in point, in Derby where I live a bloke yesterday was acquited of murder after a retrial - after initially being found guilty & spending the last 6 years in prison.  Plus there have obviously been some famous cases involving IRA bombings where people have been eventually cleared after spending decades in prison for murder.
 
Another issue is the fact that, if you look at countries & US states where the death penalty is still legal, it is disproportionately used on people who are non-white, poor & mentally ill.  Lastly the idea that capital punishment is a deterrent is clearly untrue.
 
All that being said, do I think the likes of Ian Huntley & whoever has just killed that girl in London deserve to die a slow horrible death, absolutely yes.
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/02 10:18:45 (permalink)
I'd rather they suffer in prison with their regrets until they die naturally. Death the easy way out imo.

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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/02 11:02:51 (permalink)
I think for cases where the evidence is irrefutable i.e. a confession, caught in the act etc then I honestly think they should be killed. If you look at these cases probably 100 a year maybe in the UK each of those will cost just a rough guess £50k and upwards a year to keep/feed etc so £5m a year for what could be 20 years... Well you do the math. 
 
 

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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/02 12:03:48 (permalink)
I think the thoughts of spending the rest of my life in a ****ty prison is worse than capital punishment.
 
How many times has Ian Huntly tried to kill himself?
 
The problem is that prisons are to comfortable, and Life does not mean Life when it comes to a Life sentence.
 
Plus the rate of Miscarrages of Justice is to high to justify Capital Punishment IMO.
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/02 12:53:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby gavin882 2014/10/02 12:54:51
I don't think a death sentence is much of a deterrent as you can see in states where it is still in force. Also, theres the potential for mistakes which is inexcusable when it comes to ending a persons life. Then you have different degrees of murder and reasons for it. Its not a one shoe fits all type of crime.
 
 
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/03 15:47:35 (permalink)
The main reason the death sentence was removed was mistakes being made. You can release a prisoner who has mistakenly been interred, you can't bring back a dead body. Even with current scientific processes there is so much room for error. Look at blade runner. He was bang to rights, shot his girlfriend dead yet he is found not guilty.
If you have trial by jury and they know that a guilty verdict will result in a death sentence then there is room for the jury in a case to panic and not return a sound verdict. Trials, mistrials and lengthy appeal processes will hammer the legal costs of trials sky high.
 
Having said that there should be a massive overhaul of penal practice in the UK. I reckon using prisoners as a free labour force for menial/manual tasks should be introduced. We have massive issues with flooding in the country. Give prisoners a spade and a pair of wellies and get them out digging out all the old roadside ditches we used to have. Good for the country, good for the prisoner, good for employment (jobs for gaurds).
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/04 07:36:49 (permalink)
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/04 14:48:00 (permalink)
Capital punishment is banned in the EU.
Vote UKIP next year, they'll get us out of the EU, and probably ditch the human rights act too.
It's the only way forward, if we want to be able to legally murder people who piss us off.

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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/04 16:08:40 (permalink)
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Capital punishment is banned in the EU.
Vote UKIP next year, they'll get us out of the EU, and probably ditch the human rights act too.
It's the only way forward, if we want to be able to legally murder people who piss us off.




Didnt we have a vote on this few year ago...???? 
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/04 16:46:14 (permalink)
only thing worse that freeing the guilty is killing the innocent
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Re: Capital punishment 2014/10/04 17:01:43 (permalink)
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The main reason the death sentence was removed was mistakes being made. You can release a prisoner who has mistakenly been interred, you can't bring back a dead body. Even with current scientific processes there is so much room for error. Look at blade runner. He was bang to rights, shot his girlfriend dead yet he is found not guilty.
If you have trial by jury and they know that a guilty verdict will result in a death sentence then there is room for the jury in a case to panic and not return a sound verdict. Trials, mistrials and lengthy appeal processes will hammer the legal costs of trials sky high.
 
Having said that there should be a massive overhaul of penal practice in the UK. I reckon using prisoners as a free labour force for menial/manual tasks should be introduced. We have massive issues with flooding in the country. Give prisoners a spade and a pair of wellies and get them out digging out all the old roadside ditches we used to have. Good for the country, good for the prisoner, good for employment (jobs for gaurds).




We already do that in our CAT D open jails like Kirkham, Sudbury, Leyhill its not quite digging the roads up but they do send people out every day to work in the community. And yes I totally agree with you they should do it from closed prisons not jus open like they do in USA.
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