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Car clampers are scum of the earth

Ok, it's in the Daily Wail, but I hope the gist of the article is somewhat accurate. 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202998/Sick-grandmother-jumps-bed-stage-sit-protest-clampers-van-pounce-daughters-car-arrival.html
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 12:52:38 (permalink)
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    Im amazed they didnt just throw her out the van, most car clampers I have ever met would.

    My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs.....
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:08:48 (permalink)
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    Clampers are lower than pond scum, but worse again is the guys who go around spotting for them, they are complete vermin.
     
    I was clamped once, and I p*ssed on the clamp before calling them to remove it!!

    Lets start buildin' some hurtin' bombs 
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:13:24 (permalink)
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    Don't get me started on this. Have had some right showdowns in the past. Only way of resolving them was to call in the city's big boys to "order" the clamps to disappear.

    Problems mainly arise though because it's so poorly regulated.
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:20:57 (permalink)
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    The space outside the building I live in is patrolled by the most voracious clampers on Earth. I think there may be some cosy 'arrangement' between the clampers and the building manager whose office overlooks the area. I  Every day some poor sucker leaves their car for two minutes (there's a Tesco Express next door) to return to find the clampers have swooped in. I'm not entirely sympathetic, because there are big do-not-park-here signs and I'm against the notion that drivers should be allowed to dump their car anywhere they fancy, but at the same time the clampers are clearly vultures, only in it for the money, since the cars are not exactly impeding fire-engines or ambulances or anything like that.

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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:23:59 (permalink)
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    BigPete

    Ok, it's in the Daily Wail, but I hope the gist of the article is somewhat accurate. 
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202998/Sick-grandmother-jumps-bed-stage-sit-protest-clampers-van-pounce-daughters-car-arrival.html


    Not really: from the 'confined to her bed' (usually meaning so ill they cannot move) mother who suddenly is capable of running downstairs and leaping into a van and kicking up a fuss to the stereotypical clamper 'towering over her' (I'm surprised that didn't use' menacingly' and have him with a moustache, cape and black hat).

    Then there's the 'who sent in the story'. The Police?? Nah. The clamper?? No. So it'd be the 'hard done by' themselves. No doubt local paper first then picked up as news by the Mail. Said family claim it was 4 minutes, no one else. My mum has these kinds of permits and my brother got a similar ticket some time ago. Too busy chatting and not busy enough, until it was too late, to put the permit in the window. Same story gets played out a million times a day.



     
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:30:43 (permalink)
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    The space outside the building I live in is patrolled by the most voracious clampers on Earth. I think there may be some cosy 'arrangement' between the clampers and the building manager whose office overlooks the area. I  Every day some poor sucker leaves their car for two minutes (there's a Tesco Express next door) to return to find the clampers have swooped in. I'm not entirely sympathetic, because there are big do-not-park-here signs and I'm against the notion that drivers should be allowed to dump their car anywhere they fancy, but at the same time the clampers are clearly vultures, only in it for the money, since the cars are not exactly impeding fire-engines or ambulances or anything like that.


    Typically emotive response. Note how the clampers are XYZ abut said building manager doesn't get any choice word added (I suspect John is right about an arrangment. It's not unusual).

    The rest of the words are pretty much obvious. It will be a space, not a street, JK states there are signs so what's the issue. First on the agenda when the decision was made to enforce the no parking 'rule' on most private lands is not emergency vehicle access. Of the kind of enforcement JK refers to it will OBVIOUSLY be commercial. How do the vans, clamps, wages and running costs of a company get paid if they are not 'in it for the money'. Do the nice people who didn't give them a clamp provide hampers of food as a good will geasture??

     
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:33:10 (permalink)
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    BigPete

    Ok, it's in the Daily Wail, but I hope the gist of the article is somewhat accurate. 

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202998/Sick-grandmother-jumps-bed-stage-sit-protest-clampers-van-pounce-daughters-car-arrival.html


    Not really: from the 'confined to her bed' (usually meaning so ill they cannot move) mother who suddenly is capable of running downstairs and leaping into a van and kicking up a fuss to the stereotypical clamper 'towering over her' (I'm surprised that didn't use' menacingly' and have him with a moustache, cape and black hat).

    Then there's the 'who sent in the story'. The Police?? Nah. The clamper?? No. So it'd be the 'hard done by' themselves. No doubt local paper first then picked up as news by the Mail. Said family claim it was 4 minutes, no one else. My mum has these kinds of permits and my brother got a similar ticket some time ago. Too busy chatting and not busy enough, until it was too late, to put the permit in the window. Same story gets played out a million times a day.

    You're not wrong but a bit of righteous indignation should be enjoyed every day.
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:35:42 (permalink)
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    Don't get me started on this. Have had some right showdowns in the past. Only way of resolving them was to call in the city's big boys to "order" the clamps to disappear.

    Problems mainly arise though because it's so poorly regulated.


    City big boys??

    I agree with the 2nd part 100%. Two issues really. The on street ones are more regulated but the t/o of staff and a lack of double checking means issues can and do arise. The off street ones are a much bigger problem but it's as much as issue for the drivers ignoring the signs etc. That includes, as per the article, those employed to enforce said regs on council estates and similar (where they aren't the same as the local on street company). Finally, the regs are different from borough to borough as is how they are enforced. We know that Scotland has already brought out more guidelines than the rest of the UK.

     
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:37:38 (permalink)
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    BigPete

    Ok, it's in the Daily Wail, but I hope the gist of the article is somewhat accurate. 

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202998/Sick-grandmother-jumps-bed-stage-sit-protest-clampers-van-pounce-daughters-car-arrival.html


    Not really: from the 'confined to her bed' (usually meaning so ill they cannot move) mother who suddenly is capable of running downstairs and leaping into a van and kicking up a fuss to the stereotypical clamper 'towering over her' (I'm surprised that didn't use' menacingly' and have him with a moustache, cape and black hat).

    Then there's the 'who sent in the story'. The Police?? Nah. The clamper?? No. So it'd be the 'hard done by' themselves. No doubt local paper first then picked up as news by the Mail. Said family claim it was 4 minutes, no one else. My mum has these kinds of permits and my brother got a similar ticket some time ago. Too busy chatting and not busy enough, until it was too late, to put the permit in the window. Same story gets played out a million times a day.

    You're not wrong but a bit of righteous indignation should be enjoyed every day.


    LOL fair enough. But (and I have enjoyed the odd bit) I wouldn't call the local rag to do so. Plus it's more indulgent fodder for the Daily Mail and those with cars feeling hard done by.

     
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:38:10 (permalink)
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    rightyho

    Don't get me started on this. Have had some right showdowns in the past. Only way of resolving them was to call in the city's big boys to "order" the clamps to disappear.

    Problems mainly arise though because it's so poorly regulated.


    care to elaborate on your story mate? Sounds like an epic righty moment!!
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:45:47 (permalink)
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    The space outside the building I live in is patrolled by the most voracious clampers on Earth. I think there may be some cosy 'arrangement' between the clampers and the building manager whose office overlooks the area. I  Every day some poor sucker leaves their car for two minutes (there's a Tesco Express next door) to return to find the clampers have swooped in. I'm not entirely sympathetic, because there are big do-not-park-here signs and I'm against the notion that drivers should be allowed to dump their car anywhere they fancy, but at the same time the clampers are clearly vultures, only in it for the money, since the cars are not exactly impeding fire-engines or ambulances or anything like that.


    Typically emotive response. Note how the clampers are XYZ abut said building manager doesn't get any choice word added (I suspect John is right about an arrangment. It's not unusual).

    The rest of the words are pretty much obvious. It will be a space, not a street, JK states there are signs so what's the issue. First on the agenda when the decision was made to enforce the no parking 'rule' on most private lands is not emergency vehicle access. Of the kind of enforcement JK refers to it will OBVIOUSLY be commercial. How do the vans, clamps, wages and running costs of a company get paid if they are not 'in it for the money'. Do the nice people who didn't give them a clamp provide hampers of food as a good will geasture??


    So your agrument is that vehicles HAVE to be clamped in order to pay the costs of clamping? You dont think thats a bit of a circular argument?


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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:54:34 (permalink)
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    BigPete

    Ok, it's in the Daily Wail, but I hope the gist of the article is somewhat accurate. 

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202998/Sick-grandmother-jumps-bed-stage-sit-protest-clampers-van-pounce-daughters-car-arrival.html


    Not really: from the 'confined to her bed' (usually meaning so ill they cannot move) mother who suddenly is capable of running downstairs and leaping into a van and kicking up a fuss to the stereotypical clamper 'towering over her' (I'm surprised that didn't use' menacingly' and have him with a moustache, cape and black hat).

    Then there's the 'who sent in the story'. The Police?? Nah. The clamper?? No. So it'd be the 'hard done by' themselves. No doubt local paper first then picked up as news by the Mail. Said family claim it was 4 minutes, no one else. My mum has these kinds of permits and my brother got a similar ticket some time ago. Too busy chatting and not busy enough, until it was too late, to put the permit in the window. Same story gets played out a million times a day.

    You're not wrong but a bit of righteous indignation should be enjoyed every day.


    LOL fair enough. But (and I have enjoyed the odd bit) I wouldn't call the local rag to do so. Plus it's more indulgent fodder for the Daily Mail and those with cars feeling hard done by.


    The Daily Mail headline today shows just how much they want to overperform.  They are bursting with rage at the Met Office over it's long range weather forecasts because they themselves misrepresented it to their readers in the first place.
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:54:53 (permalink)
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    The space outside the building I live in is patrolled by the most voracious clampers on Earth. I think there may be some cosy 'arrangement' between the clampers and the building manager whose office overlooks the area. I  Every day some poor sucker leaves their car for two minutes (there's a Tesco Express next door) to return to find the clampers have swooped in. I'm not entirely sympathetic, because there are big do-not-park-here signs and I'm against the notion that drivers should be allowed to dump their car anywhere they fancy, but at the same time the clampers are clearly vultures, only in it for the money, since the cars are not exactly impeding fire-engines or ambulances or anything like that.


    Typically emotive response. Note how the clampers are XYZ abut said building manager doesn't get any choice word added (I suspect John is right about an arrangment. It's not unusual).

    The rest of the words are pretty much obvious. It will be a space, not a street, JK states there are signs so what's the issue. First on the agenda when the decision was made to enforce the no parking 'rule' on most private lands is not emergency vehicle access. Of the kind of enforcement JK refers to it will OBVIOUSLY be commercial. How do the vans, clamps, wages and running costs of a company get paid if they are not 'in it for the money'. Do the nice people who didn't give them a clamp provide hampers of food as a good will geasture??


    I didn't think it emotive in the slightest. These clampers clamp an enormous number of cars. The have a huge appetite for clamping. Voracious, in fact.

    It is of course entirely up to the owner of the land to employ clampers if he or she chooses. It just strikes me that (in this case at least) a simple line of bollards would prevent drivers parking their cars there in the first place. It's just that a simple line of bollards wouldn't make specific individuals a load of money. It seems like they are deliberately capitalising on the likelihood of drivers trespassing. The car being there doesn't actually impede or inconvenience anyone, so the commercial enterprise doesn't actually serve any positive function but to generate large amounts of money from feckless chancers.

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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 13:59:38 (permalink)
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    rightyho

    Don't get me started on this. Have had some right showdowns in the past. Only way of resolving them was to call in the city's big boys to "order" the clamps to disappear.

    Problems mainly arise though because it's so poorly regulated.


    care to elaborate on your story mate? Sounds like an epic righty moment!!


    It was simple enough.
    I parked on some land belonging to a shop and my wheel touched the dividing line of the parking area of another shop which used clampers.
    Came out to find I was clamped. The clamper called for "backup". So did I.
    My backup was very well known locally. All he did was turn up and order the clamp off.
    It came off.
    But not before some scoffing lanky Lithuanian had told me "I'd get it" if his backup arrived. Lol.

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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 14:00:41 (permalink)
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    What happens if you cut off the clamps before they take your car away ? Is it Criminal damage ?
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 14:05:22 (permalink)
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    Yes.
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 14:55:18 (permalink)
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    I was clamped once, and I p*ssed on the clamp before calling them to remove it!!


    PMSL, have to remember this
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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 15:26:30 (permalink)
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    Is it really criminal damage to cut it off? So long as there is no cctv how can they prove you took it off?

    My housemate at uni cut his off with a stihl saw and heard nothing about it since, this is at least 3/4 months ago, was a private clamping company, not the local council or a government agency.

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    Re:Car clampers are scum of the earth 2009/07/30 15:29:49 (permalink)
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    rightyho

    Yes.


    Yes. Although, TBH, you're probably going to face less punishment for criminal damage in these circumstances than the £130 clamping fee, the £200 removal fee and the £40 storage costs.

    If the clamp is NOT legally placed then they have no right to clamp the car and will not get far with a criminal damage claim.

    And even if the fine for criminal damage DOES come to £370 or more, at least you've had some fun, and not just bent over and taken it from these crooks.

    Many clamps that private firms use will break, with a little effort,  if you just drive away. ALL will break witha £20 pair of bolt cutters from any nearby hardware shop.

    If you should choose to take such (illegal) action I suggest using the voice record function on your phone to record anything the clamper says - many of them like to threaten or imply violence if you dont just pay up, and particularly if you intend to remove the clamp, and if you have some evidence of them (illegally) making violent threats it will muddy the waters for them considerably should they attempt to pursue you for criminal damage.


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