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2007/06/17 22:57:20 (permalink)
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Carb cycling for mass gains

Does anyone use carb cycling to make mass gains??

I looked into using carb cycling for a cutting cycle but was thinking would it work for a mass gain??

For example say 3g per lb on high carb day, 2.5g per lb on med day, 2g per lb on low days and use that idea but keep the protein intake at 2g per lb.

So cal wise the high day would be really high over maintance cals, med day half way over maintance cals, low days just over the maintance cals.

Therefore you will still have a cal surplus and therfore make gains but the body will not be able to adapt the the increase in carb intake and adjust to suit, it would have to keep guessing hopefully promoting lean gains.

This sound correct of just waste of time and still with high carbs everyday???

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    RE: Carb cycling for mass gains 2007/06/17 23:05:15 (permalink)
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    Its not too dissimilar. Whereas you are in a weekly/overall calorie deficit for RoCHO cutting, you want to aim for a surplus with RoCHO bulking. For example, when I was cutting RoCHO, I was High Monday, Low, No, High, Low, No, Low again by sunday. For bulking, have an extra high day/less no days (as one example). As with all, there are a hundred different ways to do it, just maintain a surplus. TT has an article on it in the works, but for now, have a look on T-Nation, they mention it on there

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    RE: Carb cycling for mass gains 2007/06/17 23:08:04 (permalink)
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    Keep protein and fats same, rotate carbs (on the whole)

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    RE: Carb cycling for mass gains 2007/06/17 23:14:48 (permalink)
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    Yeah sound mate i thought it would still work on a mass gain as long as i keep the surplus of cals overall for the week.

    Ive read the TT article and found some use out of it but it doesnt say anything about using it for mass gains, have you used carb cycling for mass gains?? if so did you find the gains better ie better lean gains??

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    RE: Carb cycling for mass gains 2007/06/17 23:20:35 (permalink)
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    No i haven't tried it sorry mate. I'm thinking about it for next time though.

    Some reading for you though:
    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=811783
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par32.htm

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    RE: Carb cycling for mass gains 2007/06/17 23:30:03 (permalink)
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    Thanks mate for input and for links.

    Some nice late night reading for me think ive seen that t-nation one before but thanks for link id lost it.

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    RE: Carb cycling for mass gains 2007/06/17 23:40:33 (permalink)
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    im interested in trying this, u cant cheat thermogenics but cycling will keep your bodies metabolism guessing...

    seems like you cant lose
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    RE: Carb cycling for mass gains 2007/06/17 23:46:00 (permalink)
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    Thats the idea the body is very cleaver so it will adjust itself to the carb intake BUT if you keep changing it you will keep it guessing.

    Ive read the t nation document and it supports what i thought that it can be used to make lean gains (keeping fat gains to a min) ill definatly be trying it.

    Well if i can make my mind up if to cut or carry on bulking!!

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    RE: Carb cycling for mass gains 2007/06/18 01:55:15 (permalink)
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    I'm not convinced about this to be honest and i await TTs article with interest.

    1/ One of the main benefits of carb cycling over a 'standard' deficit diet is that it keeps your metabolism higher. Is this an issue on a bulk where intake of all macros should be sufficient for growth- i.e. metabolism will be maxed out anyway?

    2/ Can the 'low-fat' gains (which would be the only benefit of a RoCho bulk as far as i can see) definitely be attributed to the carb/cal cycling, or is it possible that leaner gains might be a result of a lower net deficit at the end of the day caused by the lower intake days....

    An example-

    man A- standard intake- 4000cals ED= 28000 cals a week

    man B- RoCho intake- high 5000cals 2 days
    med 4000cals days 3 days
    low 3000cals 2 days= 28000 cals a week


    ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL is one going to gain 'cleaner' than the other?

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    RE: Carb cycling for mass gains 2007/06/18 19:51:34 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: apollocreed

    I'm not convinced about this to be honest and i await TTs article with interest.

    1/ One of the main benefits of carb cycling over a 'standard' deficit diet is that it keeps your metabolism higher. Is this an issue on a bulk where intake of all macros should be sufficient for growth- i.e. metabolism will be maxed out anyway?

    2/ Can the 'low-fat' gains (which would be the only benefit of a RoCho bulk as far as i can see) definitely be attributed to the carb/cal cycling, or is it possible that leaner gains might be a result of a lower net deficit at the end of the day caused by the lower intake days....

    An example-

    man A- standard intake- 4000cals ED= 28000 cals a week

    man B- RoCho intake- high 5000cals 2 days
    med 4000cals days 3 days
    low 3000cals 2 days= 28000 cals a week


    ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL is one going to gain 'cleaner' than the other?



    If you overlook the weekly aspect of it, you have 'anabolic' days and 'catabolic' days, rather than a full week of anabolic days. Swings and rounabouts; suits/works for some, not for others....

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    RE: Carb cycling for mass gains 2007/06/19 01:24:02 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: 1ManRiot

    No i haven't tried it sorry mate. I'm thinking about it for next time though.

    Some reading for you though:
    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=811783
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par32.htm


    I highly recommend trying the article outlined in the t-nation link above. I have been following the carb cycling strategy while cutting, and have been getting great results. When the time comes I plan to try the carb cycling outlined in that article for mass building as well...My body really responds well to not only cycling carbs, but consuming such a large amount post-workout. I have continued to make strength gains while in a calorie defecit.

    A famous man once said: "Eat, monitor, And Adjust"
    post edited by SeanC - 2007/06/19 01:26:43

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