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2015/03/05 16:29:52 (permalink)
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Charles Poliquins views on breakfast

What does everyone think of this:
 
http://www.lifestylebypoliquin.com/Lifestyle/Nutrition/476/The_Meat_and_Nut_Breakfast.aspx.aspx
 
 
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/05 16:35:55 (permalink)
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totally agree with it
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/05 16:47:36 (permalink)
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I often do similar. In fact I used my last MP rep voucher just for nuts
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/05 16:56:07 (permalink)
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It depends what you want, if it's sheer mass and strength then not something I'd recommend, however if cutting it'll have a good effect, although that'll be down to the calorie deficit you'll put yourself in.

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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/05 17:56:08 (permalink)
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I am looking for body fat loss right now... Would you still recommend this with after fasted cardio?
 
How would one typically incorporate this into the week... I.e what kind of meats are best for this?
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/05 17:58:30 (permalink)
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totally agree with it


Is that what you do then Daz?
 
What I don't understand is if having a zero carb breakfast is so effective in fast loss and leanness, then why does the mainstream fitness world not know this and often advocate oats with fruit and protein shakes for breakfast!? 
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/05 18:15:54 (permalink)
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Anything that creates a deficit will aid in weight loss, and skipping carbs at breakfast will do just that if you don't replace the calories, however if you believe you'll achieve greater fat loss by replacing carb calories with fat calories then that's totally wrong, and as you lose muscle your bodyfat percentage could potentially come higher.

If you're worried about insulin etc which you shouldn't be at breakfast, then fats and protein raise this also.

Total calories are what will determine your weight, fat loss, not manipulating macros.

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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/05 20:16:29 (permalink)
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Tbh my "breakfast" comes many hours after I wake up. I don't have hard and fast rules on what i'll eat but it's almost always low or no carb. Which could be meat, or nuts or whey & water.
Oats and fruit is good for energy in the morning but will shut off any approaching fat loss just when your glycogen stores will be depleting. Try avoiding carbs til lunch or even later.
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/05 22:23:50 (permalink)
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Anything that creates a deficit will aid in weight loss, and skipping carbs at breakfast will do just that if you don't replace the calories, however if you believe you'll achieve greater fat loss by replacing carb calories with fat calories then that's totally wrong, and as you lose muscle your bodyfat percentage could potentially come higher.

If you're worried about insulin etc which you shouldn't be at breakfast, then fats and protein raise this also.

Total calories are what will determine your weight, fat loss, not manipulating macros.


According to the article and theory it suggests insulin and hormonal response comes into this and it's not just about calorie reduction. I can see the theory that the longer insulin is lowered the more lipolysis is kept in play... has anyone else ever experimented with this?
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/06 03:41:33 (permalink)
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i don't think nuts are good for cutting.  They're kind of calorie dense.    I think a lot of people dont really have a big appetite in the morning, and since the whole "you gotta eat every 3 hours" is bro-science, I don't see any problem skipping breakfast.
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/06 05:45:53 (permalink)
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Anything that creates a deficit will aid in weight loss, and skipping carbs at breakfast will do just that if you don't replace the calories, however if you believe you'll achieve greater fat loss by replacing carb calories with fat calories then that's totally wrong, and as you lose muscle your bodyfat percentage could potentially come higher.

If you're worried about insulin etc which you shouldn't be at breakfast, then fats and protein raise this also.

Total calories are what will determine your weight, fat loss, not manipulating macros.


According to the article and theory it suggests insulin and hormonal response comes into this and it's not just about calorie reduction. I can see the theory that the longer insulin is lowered the more lipolysis is kept in play... has anyone else ever experimented with this?


That doesn't make any sense, insulin is raised with protein and fats also, so a low GI carb such as oats isn't going to raise it a great deal more, and at that time of morning when your insulin sensitivity is at it's best it's only going to work to your advantage eating carbs IMO, I.e they'll more likely shuttle into muscle glycogen, especially if you trained the day before, fats will just store as fat and later on be used for energy, but remember when you go over a certain intensity muscle glycogen will be needed for fuel otherwise you'll be breaking down hard earned muscle very quickly.
post edited by makaveli1971 1996 - 2015/03/06 06:48:32

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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/06 08:01:27 (permalink)
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I it helps you eat the kcal you require then fine.
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/06 09:24:47 (permalink)
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i don't think nuts are good for cutting.  They're kind of calorie dense.    I think a lot of people dont really have a big appetite in the morning, and since the whole "you gotta eat every 3 hours" is bro-science, I don't see any problem skipping breakfast.


Tbh I personally think it's preferable to avoid eating the minute you wake up. But having nuts as a snack when on a low carb diet is fine imo as they're very nutritious and once you don't go mad on them you can still be under maintenance on them. A handful a day is adequate imo.
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/06 09:27:45 (permalink)
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i don't think nuts are good for cutting.  They're kind of calorie dense.    I think a lot of people dont really have a big appetite in the morning, and since the whole "you gotta eat every 3 hours" is bro-science, I don't see any problem skipping breakfast.


Tbh I personally think it's preferable to avoid eating the minute you wake up. But having nuts as a snack when on a low carb diet is fine imo as they're very nutritious and once you don't go mad on them you can still be under maintenance on them. A handful a day is adequate imo.


i remember when it was advised that you eat as soon to waking as possible, funny how things change.
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/06 09:42:41 (permalink)
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i don't think nuts are good for cutting.  They're kind of calorie dense.    I think a lot of people dont really have a big appetite in the morning, and since the whole "you gotta eat every 3 hours" is bro-science, I don't see any problem skipping breakfast.


Tbh I personally think it's preferable to avoid eating the minute you wake up. But having nuts as a snack when on a low carb diet is fine imo as they're very nutritious and once you don't go mad on them you can still be under maintenance on them. A handful a day is adequate imo.


i remember when it was advised that you eat as soon to waking as possible, funny how things change.


Well there's more than one way to skin a cat but imo for fat burning you're at the best starting point first thing in the morning as your glycogen levels will be lower than at other points of the day )unless you're on a real low carbohydrate diet) so training then and a good stretch without carbs helps. ie: the other day I stopped eating at 4:30pm and didn't eat til 10:30am the next day but was up at 5am and training at 6am. I guess that's more IF and total daily cals but I think eating the minute you wake up shuts off potential fat burning.
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/06 10:13:41 (permalink)
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not wanting to get into a debate about it, as there are some strong views in this thread and I don't get on MT regularly enough to follow up a debate but
 
the breakfast suits all goals, be it fat loss or muscle gain, but it wouldn't be the crutial component of either goal, its just a good way to run your diet in terms of general health, performance, mental focus (on life not training particularly).  what it does is keep insulin levels steady in the morning (nobody is saying it doesn't raise them- what it does is produce a much smaller peak and a much more gentle taper off) but that's not the main point, just one of them.  It gives a different hormone profile in the brain compared to carbs and proteins.
 
On the sidetrack discussion above, there is no requirement to eat as soon as possible after rising, nothing at all wrong with delaying your first meal an hour or two- for people in a physical job its a good way to burn fat.  It wont stall metabolism or cause muscle loss.  Always found it puzzling how people could be adamant that breakfast is very important and must be eaten straight away, but that morning fasted cardio was ok....!  However longer time periods, moving into IF territory are not optimal (not to say they don't work) for maximum muscle retention, getting super lean, or maximum performance.
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/06 13:47:47 (permalink)
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My initial interest in trying the protocol was that it might offer better fat burning, but if it's merely creating a larger calorie deficit then i'd be better off continuing to eat carbs for breakfast and then reduce portions as fat loss slows.
 
I can understand the theory as I am sure we all agree that studies show EFA's to help with fat mobilization, and so I would be interested to see any data backing up the benefits of a high protein/low carb/higher fat diet over a High protein/moderate carb/moderate fat diet that contain the exact same calories.
 
I believe that fat loss is more than calories in vs calories out and I am surprised people haven't tried this out themselves!
 
Also what is the science behind low carb and high fat diets causing more muscle loss than a moderate carb moderate fat diet!?
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/06 19:31:46 (permalink)
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I follow this and my concentration levels and general overall wellbeing have improved.
 
I eat lamb, or venison burgers or beef and cashew nuts or almonds. I would love to have the variety he recommends but my budget won't stretch at the minute.
 
I would recommend it.
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/06 19:57:15 (permalink)
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Does it really have to be meat and nuts, can't it just be whey and PB, whole eggs and bacon etc?
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Re: Charles Poliquins views on breakfast 2015/03/06 20:28:24 (permalink)
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Does it really have to be meat and nuts, can't it just be whey and PB, whole eggs and bacon etc?


Yeah I think any combination will be fine, I may try it for a week myself to see how I go as I'm interested in this better sense of well being, I did do it one morning some time back but felt sh*t all morning, could have just been a coincidence but I think a week will give a better reflection, the carbs I skip at 6am will be getting made up at 1pm so I won't be missing out, just delaying to see if I feel any better throughout the morning.

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