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Claims about roid use back in the day by 68 year old vet

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2005/07/29 16:15:00 (permalink)
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Claims about roid use back in the day by 68 year old vet

This is taken from BB.com makes you think:

"when we first started takeing dboll in the 60s and 70s the normal procedure was to stay on all years round ,i remeber takeing 5 dboll throughout the day aLL YEAR ROUND FOR A FEW YEARS STEADY ,i am now 68 and i never had any problems with my liver and i still see some of my training bros from that period who were doing the same thing and they are still all healthy,i also know a few well known bb s who at that time were at the top and were doing much more all year ,in fact i know of one mr america who i used to party with who would not even count hoe many he took ,he would just dump a lot out of the bottle into his hand and swallow them and he did this a few times a day for many years and is still sround today and almost the same size as he was then ,and he was one of weiders boys at that time and when he went to the west coast,he said the other pros were doing that also .i am not saying do that but i took 5 dboll every day for a few years staight ,and never had any problems and i even went to 6 a day after a while ,that was considered the normal way to do dboll at that time for hardcore bb and that was the american dboll at that time ,so i belive the neg rap on dboll is over rated ,and you deffinatley can do 3 dboll a day (15MG)WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS that way you get steady gains for the whole year ,that is also in conjuntion with year round injectables .unless you have some predispossed illness it is safe."

Do you think what this is saying is true that they guys done this and never really sufferd any ill effects? I mean what about their nutz surly they would have been non-exsistant and they would have had high blood pressure too boot.

Also another guy claims to have taken 1 5mg tab of dbol every morning for over a year and claims to have made decent gains in real muscle over time without any real HTPA or recovery issues. You rekon their is any truth to his claims it sound interesting and resaonably safe.
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    PJH20
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    RE: Claims about roid use back in the day by 68 year old vet 2005/07/29 16:21:56 (permalink)
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    sounds very odd to me.

    All the information we have is contrary to the statements made in that extract.

    Of course there is the "dbol as a supplement article" which implies taking dbol once per day in a small amount will just fool the body into thinking that it is just the testosterone peak for that day and is natural.

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    RE: Claims about roid use back in the day by 68 year old vet 2005/07/29 16:38:31 (permalink)
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    I've read similar statements before, and as PJH says above, the info available today is the contrary. But, still an interesting consideration

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    RE: Claims about roid use back in the day by 68 year old vet 2005/07/29 16:46:13 (permalink)
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    i suppose it's possible taht you could take gear continually for very long periods of time but that's basically HRT. recovery from this would be the problem more than anything else and you ahve to wonder what kind of crash he wen't thru when he came off

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    RE: Claims about roid use back in the day by 68 year old vet 2005/07/29 17:06:00 (permalink)
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    That's right.

    Supposedly this was a common occurrence back in that period.

    PC, one imagines, would have been the big problem!

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    RE: Claims about roid use back in the day by 68 year old vet 2005/07/29 18:00:35 (permalink)
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    Thats why they never came off he says no body had even herd of pct in those days.
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    RE: Claims about roid use back in the day by 68 year old vet 2005/07/29 18:15:43 (permalink)
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    Yeah, PCT is a debated issue in regards that period.

    Tamoxifen (Nolva) was definately available in the early 80's, however, whether or not it was used by BBers for PCT, even then, is another thing!

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    RE: Claims about roid use back in the day by 68 year old vet 2005/07/29 18:36:46 (permalink)
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    But do you think that using as little as 5mg of dbol a day over years would produce a significant increase in muscle mass than just training natural would? I think that its a possibilty for sure.
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    RE: Claims about roid use back in the day by 68 year old vet 2005/07/29 22:19:19 (permalink)
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    an average person produces 7-10mgs of testosterone a day

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    RE: Claims about roid use back in the day by 68 year old vet 2005/07/29 22:51:30 (permalink)
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    That being the case, by taking 5mg-10mg of Dbol per day the average person is essentially doubling their daily test levels. One assume this would increase muscle mass and cause long tem PC problems.

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    RE: Claims about roid use back in the day by 68 year old vet 2005/07/30 00:01:59 (permalink)
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    here a little explanation on how the 10mg of dbol in the AM works but even with this you will still be partialy shut down

    iv used 10mg in pct as well like this and tbh it worked quite well


    The 10 mg. AM Dbol bridge explained by Fonz
    I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
    bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
    First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.

    Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
    to RECOVER.

    Ok, now having said that.
    Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
    brand name Dianabol.

    10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
    by 50-70%.

    The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
    its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
    benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
    its androgenic mode of action.
    Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
    function, thus STRENGTH.

    OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
    dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.

    When are testosterone levels highest?

    Answer: In the AM, thats when.

    Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
    This is when tesosterone levels are highest.

    When are Insulin levels lowest?

    Answer: In the AM thats when.

    Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
    (Also fat, but protein is also being converted
    to glucose via glucogenesis)

    OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
    (Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

    Lets take Subject X.

    He's in bridging mode.
    He has just woken up.
    The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
    creating a spike.
    His insulin levels are low.
    His LH and test levels are very low.



    He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

    Here is where things get interesting.

    The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
    spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
    released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

    The body will be partially fooled.
    It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
    (above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
    REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

    In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
    thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

    Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
    RECOVER over time.
    Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
    in the morning from low insulogenic levels.

    HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

    You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
    for this bridge to work!!!!

    Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

    10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
    (Probably less)

    5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
    in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
    LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

    Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
    testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
    thus not allowing LH function to recover.

    Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

    The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
    between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

    So, here's the scenario summed up:

    Beginning: LOW LH and test.

    Adding the 10mgs dball.

    LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
    testosterone levels are kept at a level which
    will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
    will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
    reduction)

    This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
    INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
    catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

    The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
    I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
    complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
    of the way there but the only way you're going
    to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
    completely.
    Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
    (In case anybody is wondering.)
    The difference is that with anavar you can take it
    throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
    once in the AM.
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