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2007/06/12 22:20:33 (permalink)

Crash Diet - If you must.

Hey guys. I have some var left and am trying to drop 20 more lbs.

I have temporarily got my wife an apt for a couple of months while i clean up my life. Ive been sober for a few weeks already and am doing great. eating very clean, lean meat, sushi, fat free milk.

I sip on fat free milk throughout the day and am on 40mg anavar a day.

I have been getting 1000 calories a day about. I weigh 196 down from 206 and have lost no muscle that i can see, but have dropped an inch from my waist.

I want to drop 25 more lbs. Basically i am in somewhat of a depression, and have little to no appetite, and want to use it to drop these excess pounds ive been holding.

i jog for 15 minutes each morning. i cannot workout because of a shoulder injury.

My question is - if you MUST crash diet, what is the best course to take?

I am probably eating about 8 times a day.

keep in mind the anavar dose. i can raise it or lower it.

And i KNOW that crash dieting is frowned upon, but even if i gain 10lbs back, i'm 20 less than i started. i want to take advantage of this appetite loss.

any advice is appreciated...

"Children need encouragment. When a child answers a question correctly, tell him it was a lucky guess. This way, he develops a good, lucky feeling."
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    Big D
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 00:24:13 (permalink)
    post diet, in full

    up cardio

    drop anavar - its not a magic pill, dont treat it as some sort of saviour

    gain some real long term focus and goals, using apetite loss from depression to help lose weight would be the last thing on my mind.

    thats all i can really say as i dont know why you need to crash diet.
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 00:34:59 (permalink)
    My question is - if you MUST crash diet, what is the best course to take?

    Its not frowned upon mate, its down-right nonsensical and pointless. There are MUCH more effective ways to drop weight.

    Drugs + crash dieting = early grave my friend

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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 01:19:33 (permalink)
    Why drop the anavar? @40mg a day there are virtually no side effects. If i drop the anavar i will lose hard earned muscle....

    I dropped 50lbs last year through long hard work and i've kept it off this year. I know how to diet, just asking about crash diets.

    These last pounds have been very stubborn, and again, i want to use this lack of appetite to my advantage.

    If im going to be miserable i might as well get something out of it.

    post edited by julius_skeezer - 2007/06/13 01:25:47

    "Children need encouragment. When a child answers a question correctly, tell him it was a lucky guess. This way, he develops a good, lucky feeling."
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 01:22:20 (permalink)
    again - i am doing cardio and eating small meals throughout the day - albeit very small.

    im not eating 1 meal a day of crisps and taking speed or anything.

    Just trying to find an optimum mix of carbs and protein, etc.


    "Children need encouragment. When a child answers a question correctly, tell him it was a lucky guess. This way, he develops a good, lucky feeling."
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 01:31:13 (permalink)
    you dont look too bad in your av mate


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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 01:39:43 (permalink)
    With a few years of dignified, hard work, you can look like that too.

    "Children need encouragment. When a child answers a question correctly, tell him it was a lucky guess. This way, he develops a good, lucky feeling."
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 12:26:46 (permalink)
    this is why i dont really post in these type of threads tbh.

    whatever anyone says, whether it be me thats studied nutrition at uni for 3 years or james that has worked at the top end of nutrition for many many years, changing your mind and making you see sense as such over a public forum is near on impossible. your in a mind set we cant change.

    if crash dieting was the best way to lose weight then the pro's would do it.

    i'm not trying to have a go. but your not going to find many if any at all people on here that will write you a crash diet.

    i see the basic logic for using the var (hold muscle mass) but to me your just using it as a drug to keep you happy. deal with the real issues then look at training and gear. your injured, have time off and upp your cardio sort out a diet which will help hold onto muscle.

    edit: post your diet and explain why you need to crash diet.
    post edited by Big D - 2007/06/13 12:27:38
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 14:14:56 (permalink)
    I posted in the thread title, im well aware it is not the norm. "If you must"

    sometimes people do things that are not "the best"

    Im asking for advice...im not asking "Should i crash diet?

    As for the reason why, honestly, i have ZERO appetite. I cannot eat. I can hardly sleep.

    I Just thought id try to get something out of it and wanted to find the best way.

    diet, wake up, 15 mins jogging, then a cup fat free milk

    couple hours later, another cup fat free milk

    couple hours later, 300 cal worth of tuna sushi

    couple hours later, cup fat free milk

    couple hours later 300-400 cal lean meat

    couple hours later, more fat free milk

    you get the idea...two solid meals with around 300 cals a day and a cup of fat free milk every couple of hours.

    i cant eat much solid food and i figured milk is the best liquid to substitute.

    as i said, my wife and i just separated, and i have zero appetite....

    as for the var, no dude...it does not keep me happy..that is insane...it has zero effect on my mood

    what would make me more UNHAPPY however..is to lose hard earned muscle while not being able to eat and being out with a shoulder injury.....

    post edited by julius_skeezer - 2007/06/13 14:18:26

    "Children need encouragment. When a child answers a question correctly, tell him it was a lucky guess. This way, he develops a good, lucky feeling."
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 19:58:04 (permalink)
    changing your mind and making you see sense as such over a public forum is near on impossible

    A good point indeed.

    Im asking for advice...im not asking "Should i crash diet?

    Then I cannot help as I am not prepared to give someone advice that could potentially damage their long-term health.

    http://www.anafriends.org/category-view.asp <-- fill your boots.

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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 20:01:56 (permalink)
    Gosh, 1000cals a day, that is meagre. I would follow that for a few weeks if I want to trim quickly for a big event....but even I struggle on that and I'm a burd
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 20:11:07 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: julius_skeezer

    I posted in the thread title, im well aware it is not the norm. "If you must"

    sometimes people do things that are not "the best"

    Im asking for advice...im not asking "Should i crash diet?

    As for the reason why, honestly, i have ZERO appetite. I cannot eat. I can hardly sleep.

    I Just thought id try to get something out of it and wanted to find the best way.

    diet, wake up, 15 mins jogging, then a cup fat free milk

    couple hours later, another cup fat free milk

    couple hours later, 300 cal worth of tuna sushi

    couple hours later, cup fat free milk

    couple hours later 300-400 cal lean meat

    couple hours later, more fat free milk

    you get the idea...two solid meals with around 300 cals a day and a cup of fat free milk every couple of hours.

    i cant eat much solid food and i figured milk is the best liquid to substitute.

    as i said, my wife and i just separated, and i have zero appetite....

    as for the var, no dude...it does not keep me happy..that is insane...it has zero effect on my mood

    what would make me more UNHAPPY however..is to lose hard earned muscle while not being able to eat and being out with a shoulder injury.....



    If you must? There is no need ever to crash diet unless youre morbidly obese or your life depended on it and crash dieting would be the lesser of the two evils vs meeting your maker prematurely. Youre on a bodybuilding forum where people will advise on healthy ways to achieve your goals not the other way round, its like going into a AA meeting and asking the best way to mix a Strawberry Dacqueri. I can understand youre laid off but nutrition knowledge is always key here, instead of the skim milk have a protein blend shake instead.

    Heres what i would suggest if you cant face food really so im gonna go with the same quntity but different food choices ok

    diet, wake up 15 mons light cardio that means speed walking not jogging if you comtinue jogging you will look like a holocaust victim: after jogging 1 cup ckim milk 1/2 cup fat free yogurt with 1 handful of blueberries and 1 handful of strawberries made into a smoothie

    couple hours later: 2 bananas whizzed up with 1 cup of skim milk 1 scoop of whey

    couple hours later: like the sushi idea, any chance or a few slivers of avocado added to it

    couple hours later: 1/2 cup fat free milk, 1tbsp peanut butter 1 banana and 1 tablespoon of fat free sugar free jello pudding and some ice all blended up and drunk like a a iced latte

    couple hours later: half the lean meat and add in some sweet potatoes as these are a great low GI and full of great vitamins and minerals

    coupe hours later - 2 cups fat free yogurt with a scoop of fat free sugar free jello mixed in with it

    at least its more calorie dense and you will not feel as down due to your body getting a better spread of nutrients. I understand youre heartbroken right now but you have to look at it this way, time is a great healer but you should not curl up and die because you have no appetite and are feeling hurt as hurt can be. You are in pain emotionally and i honestly feel for you but dont let this be an excuse to land yourself in the hospital ward looking like a auschwitz victim
    post edited by theiopener - 2007/06/13 20:17:32
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 20:44:22 (permalink)
    wow, thanks alot man....seriously.

    yeah...i feel down constantly. i can't get food down.

    Ive never been big on sweet potatoes...

    can you bake them like normal potatoes and then store them in the fridge?

    also, friend, i see you are big on the Fat Free Yogurt.

    Ive always seen this reccomended in diets but never been big on it, never even tried it to be honest.

    Is this really good stuff? Mostly casein protein right? Why is this so much better than milk?

    Good idea on the peanut butter too...I'm going to go to the grocer today and pick up the items you suggested...
    post edited by julius_skeezer - 2007/06/13 20:46:53

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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 20:47:06 (permalink)
    yeah you can bake them in the skin without any oil added, theyre are very good nutrionally for you with lots of fibre etc plus low GI which wil help. If you cant face big meals really your best bet is to consume liquid calories and calorie dense foods that arent much to look at but will stop you wasting away. Great things like peanut butter, bananas, fat free cotttage cheese, fat free sugar free jello, cinnamon and raisn bagels are good as well. Just get as much calories down you neck as you can manage in liquid form. I highly suggest looking at the TTv2 shake in the bulking articles as this will provide excellent calories and nutrition which isnt much to look at and will still keep you going.

    I like fat free yogurt as its natural and doesnt have anything added to it like splenda or any crap like that and its a good alternative if you cant stomach cottage cheese with a nicer texture and flavour its better than milk as it has higher calories and is more nutrient dense than fat free milk which has next to no calories, its like water that someones mixed a spoonful of sugar in. Yeah its a mix of casein and a little bit of whey which if your eon restricted cals you want slow burning burning protein sources, good doses of healthy fats and good clean sources of carbs. I have ideas for shakes if you want them which will be calorie dense and nutrient dense but wont look like much to the eye so you wont feel sick looking at it.

    post edited by theiopener - 2007/06/13 20:51:25
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 21:02:57 (permalink)
    thanks for the great replies dude. as for looking for more dense shakes, i have bulking recipe shakes i make. im good to go in that regard, but thanks.

    In your opinion what is the biggest calorie defecit a day you should ever go to?

    Ive heard anywhere from 500-1000.

    I have to be at about 2500 right now....

    "Children need encouragment. When a child answers a question correctly, tell him it was a lucky guess. This way, he develops a good, lucky feeling."
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/13 21:06:35 (permalink)
    biggest calorie deficit is around the 500-1000 mark as any more than that and you will literally start eating away at your lean tissue which is very very dangerous as you run a very high risk of stroke, heart attack, high blood pressure etc etc all because your body does not have the nutrients it needs to just tick over on a daily basis. Great you have ideas for bulking shakes, in that case stick to them and make sure you get your backside off of the gear as Var AFAIK wont help you retain muscle if your cals are that low to begin with.

    Just eat small portions throughout the day that are calorie dense and i guarantee youll drop the weight off, dont forget to lose weight your body needs energy to digest foods and break down fat if you go too low your body will not eat its fat reserves but your muscle instead as its more easily broken down than fat. Also a simple mistake people make is they confuse weight loss with fat loss, do not fall into that trap you want to lose fat not weight (which can be classed as water, glycogen, muscle etc etc)
    post edited by theiopener - 2007/06/13 21:08:22
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/14 00:18:32 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: julius_skeezer

    I posted in the thread title, im well aware it is not the norm. "If you must"

    sometimes people do things that are not "the best"

    Im asking for advice...im not asking "Should i crash diet?

    As for the reason why, honestly, i have ZERO appetite. I cannot eat. I can hardly sleep.

    I Just thought id try to get something out of it and wanted to find the best way.

    diet, wake up, 15 mins jogging, then a cup fat free milk

    couple hours later, another cup fat free milk

    couple hours later, 300 cal worth of tuna sushi

    couple hours later, cup fat free milk

    couple hours later 300-400 cal lean meat

    couple hours later, more fat free milk

    you get the idea...two solid meals with around 300 cals a day and a cup of fat free milk every couple of hours.

    i cant eat much solid food and i figured milk is the best liquid to substitute.

    as i said, my wife and i just separated, and i have zero appetite....

    as for the var, no dude...it does not keep me happy..that is insane...it has zero effect on my mood

    what would make me more UNHAPPY however..is to lose hard earned muscle while not being able to eat and being out with a shoulder injury.....




    Some good advice above however are you depressed at the moment? If so you need to treat that first before embarking on self-destructive crash dieting. Give yourself time and focus on one and only one thing at a time- it seems your trying to pull everything together to quick. Deal with 1 obstacle at a time, otherwise your destin to fail. Another question I have is that if I was depressed in which I have been, I could never muster the energy to wake and go jogging> just me though.
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/14 01:18:22 (permalink)
    yeah dude, it is depression, it's obvious because it feels so artificial.

    i mean i am bummed out, but also, i will be in an OK mood, and then all of a sudden a "shift" will just occur in my brain and i will feel like **** and be bummed out. i've had it before and this is it.

    never had it this bad though. ive never had zero appetitite for like 2 weeks straight.

    "Children need encouragment. When a child answers a question correctly, tell him it was a lucky guess. This way, he develops a good, lucky feeling."
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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/14 01:56:03 (permalink)
    Depression is a plague on my life, I should get medicated really but I keep gettnig the pills then not taking them.. I'm getting counselling when I get back.. Make sure you get on top of it dude..


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    RE: Crash Diet - If you must. 2007/06/14 17:38:03 (permalink)
    working on it.

    i think i can up my cals to around 1500 with no prob.

    Will i still lose weight quickly? im 6' 195

    "Children need encouragment. When a child answers a question correctly, tell him it was a lucky guess. This way, he develops a good, lucky feeling."
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