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2014/11/27 18:11:23 (permalink)

Cult of Crossfit

What do you think of it? I liken them to ex lifters making progress who've turned Mormon.

How do you know somebody does crossfit? Because it's the first thing they'll ****ing tell you!
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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 18:36:34 (permalink)


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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 18:37:35 (permalink)
I have issue with both camps. I have a couple of mates who have actually set up a Crossfit place here too.
 
Those who instantly slag it off based on it's exercises don't necessarily have a full understanding of what it is about. However, neither do many of those who do it and defend it LOL
 
First things first... it's good exercise and it gets people lifting weights who wouldn't normally do so. And a good crossfit gym and instructor is a good thing.
 
1) Don't tell me crossfitters are the fittest and best athletes.... what they are is good crossfitters (these are the ones who do their sport the most damage IMO, overly defend themselves and big themselves up)
2) Don't show some Crossfit Games dude who can squat 220+ as proof that crossfit is great, he didn't get to do that by following crossfit, he did that thru proven training methods and he happens to also be good at crossfit. In fact he is good at crossfit as he follows proven training methods for the specific activities not cos he does crossfit every day.
3) Kipping...!!?? Is a means to complete a movement easier as CF rules don't stipulate 'strict' chins or dips, so fine they serve that purpose. If you can't do a chin up tho (or a dip) then jumping straight into kipping (which is actually fairly technical) IS dangerous.
 
However.
 
1) Don't slate someone just cos their choice of training doesn't fit your mantra (unless they bad mouth yours LOL)
2) Understand what the lifts are for and why they do them, just like you have done for your chosen style of training
3) Some of it does look like fun
 
It's a catch 22 tho, it's gets so heavily slated sometimes that those who defend it become equally outrageous with their comments and claims and both sides end out looking daft

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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 19:00:53 (permalink)
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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 19:05:20 (permalink)
So Dirty vest....what are you trying to say? LOL
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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 19:08:54 (permalink)
Standard crossfit has a lot of problems but Crossfit football is pretty awesome fun - heavy lifting and shorter, heavier conditioning sessions. No kipping either ;)
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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 19:11:09 (permalink)
Crossfit football? Wtf is that? Don't tell me it's anything to do with American football.
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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 19:17:00 (permalink)
It probably involves a lot of time telling people your version of football is the best and that your footballers are better than every other footballer....
 
 
 
.... while everyone else tells you it's sh!t
 
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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 19:22:56 (permalink)
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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 20:05:11 (permalink)
You can get photos of people doing any sport or form of exercise poorly. The coaches that let them lift like that are idiots though. I would never let anyone lift like that.

I have no strong feels for or agaisnt it. Many of them are quality athletes.

When I get older and I might look into it as a way of staying motivated.

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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 20:22:32 (permalink)
I still don't understand how doing exercise can be classed as being an athlete, unless they're entering the handstand or kipping Olympics.
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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 22:21:26 (permalink)
How would you define an athlete then?

Jumping, running, throwing, weightlifting are all exercises in themselves with athletes doing them. It's quite like decathalon but more varried and less skilled.

The top guys in crossfit are in serious shape.

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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 22:26:51 (permalink)
Yeah, I wouldn't say top CF competitors aren't impressive athletes

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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 23:07:37 (permalink)
I concur with DV generally.
 
I don't like aspects of its culture as it can be a bit 'American douch', but don't have a problem with the sport itself. Alas it attracts too many people whom actually believe anything Crossfit dose is actually original :)
 
In most ways its a chain of SnC gyms of varying quality whose focus is to train people to be good at Crossfit comps. Which got the support from Reebok (Addidas) in its efforts to compete with Nike. How successful they are at that is up to them. 
 
Part of the appeal to people is the variety, but that is also the downfull of the training model often used. The WOD system needs an overhaul really. To many people doing WODs they shouldn't be doing. Too many people not getting down to improve their base capacity in the functions that Crossfit tests.
 
Crossfit would also benefit from Crossfit HQ closing shop :) Plus stop puttimg Crossfit infront of other things that have nothing to do with Crossfit eg Crossfit Football, Crossfit Self defenc and Crossfit Powerlifting.
 
That all said I see it as cool thing for many people to enjoy at man levels. Hopfefully it will develop better coaches over time and stop doing random **** in training :)
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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 23:13:20 (permalink)
 
I'm a big fan of it, I've always gone to the gym on and off and struggled with motivation, to stick at it. But there does seem to be something about crossfit that makes you go back for more, with the added bonus, that if you drag yourself to the gym, there's no getting out of the class until you've finished. Rather than telling your mates, you can't really be bothered.
 
People also need to learn more about crossfit, before they can comment/insult it. Most places you go, you don't just turn up and complete a wod and go home, you will usually do some traditional strength training before hand, squats/deads/cleans/snatch etc. So basically your doing your cardio and strength training. 
 
One of the main things people insult about crossfit is form. They see people competing, trying to get there 1rep max in a competition and think they always lift like that, I'm sure the power lifters on this board, don't exactly use perfect form when competing to get that rep out.
 
As for kipping pullups, as someone has already mentioned its not to be taken lightly, where I go, you have to prove you can do 10 strict pullups before they will teach you to kip, to make sure you have the shoulder strength. Same for doing oly lifting in workouts, its can be anything upto a year, before you do that in a WOD and even then, if your form slips they take weight of you, or give you and easier movement to do.
 
Just because, you see someones form slipping in a competition, as there trying there hardest to win, doesn't mean they train like that day in day out.
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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/27 23:57:49 (permalink)
Jack5r, I would define an athlete by somebody who participates in a sport on a competitive level. Cross fit is not a sport. Wait, give it 10 years and it'll have died off.
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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/28 00:06:28 (permalink)
Why is it not a sport?

'Sport - an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

In crossfit people train hard and compete against each other in physical events.

It is much more of a sport than some of the 'sports' you see in the olympics? And to think they're trying to take wrestling out if it!?!

It will be around in 10 years. In fact it will be bigger. It is already attracting high level atheletes due to the economical rewards.

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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/28 00:16:58 (permalink)
I have a problem with any form of exercise that insists that beginners do everything really fast at the expense of good form. Once you have good form and can keep it then by all means up the pace. Under these circumstances crossfit is great. However, most of the crossfit coaches i have come across do not do it this way and have their clients bang out kettlebell swings and deads in a way that is injurious to their health.
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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/28 00:46:50 (permalink)
I agree Suspirio. Highly irresponsible.

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Re: Cult of Crossfit 2014/11/28 01:04:58 (permalink)
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I have a problem with any form of exercise that insists that beginners do everything really fast at the expense of good form. Once you have good form and can keep it then by all means up the pace. Under these circumstances crossfit is great. However, most of the crossfit coaches i have come across do not do it this way and have their clients bang out kettlebell swings and deads in a way that is injurious to their health.




Who says it does, the workouts are all scaled, a new starter, will be given lighter weights and simpler movements to master, before tackling the more technical WODS.
 
A lot of the beginners classes, will just be coaching in sqauts or strict press etc. How many other people, will spend weeks perfecting there squat form in the gym, before going to heavy
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