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2014/12/21 19:18:06 (permalink)
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DNA Testing

Anyone had this done ?
Sounds quite interesting. It tells an individual how many of each muscle fibres they have eg 70% fast twitch meaning 6 reps would be the ideal range for hypertrophy etc. It also says what your muscle recovery level is like meaning would 3 mins between sets be right for you as opposed to 90 sec for example.
Also gives insights into how ya body processes foods like carbs and fats and if your body if better fuelled from fats or carbs.
The more I think about this the more I think its just common sense but could we learn more about ourselves as each individual is made different and tap into our full potential ?
The jury is out on this one , prob been watchin too many Bpak videos .

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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/21 19:26:09 (permalink)
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I should be getting my results on the 29th of December. Supposedly the report they give is very comprehensive - like an entire book. It all looks very interesting, the team that run it were really helpful. Will let you know how I get on with my results. 
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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/21 19:43:59 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby Uriel 2014/12/22 07:33:12
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sleezdude
Anyone had this done ?
Sounds quite interesting. It tells an individual how many of each muscle fibres they have eg 70% fast twitch




 
I thought this varied from muscle group and in individuals  , so whilst it might be 70/30 overall , it might be 5/95 in your legs and 95/5 in your chest , wouldn't you need muscle biopsy's or scans to tell properly?
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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/21 19:47:02 (permalink)
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Yes ^^^

Sounds like a con to me.

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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/21 21:29:23 (permalink)
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Anyone had this done ?
Sounds quite interesting. It tells an individual how many of each muscle fibres they have eg 70% fast twitch




 
I thought this varied from muscle group and in individuals  , so whilst it might be 70/30 overall , it might be 5/95 in your legs and 95/5 in your chest , wouldn't you need muscle biopsy's or scans to tell properly?


yeah I did think this too as ive noticed myself some muscle groups respond great from very low reps but others don't.
 

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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/21 21:35:01 (permalink)
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I should be getting my results on the 29th of December. Supposedly the report they give is very comprehensive - like an entire book. It all looks very interesting, the team that run it were really helpful. Will let you know how I get on with my results. 


cool. be interesting to see the results. ive seen a few high profile british bodybuilders have had it done so must be something in it ?

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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/21 23:05:50 (permalink)
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Seems to be utter rubbish.
I challenged a bunch about this, about what exactly would I be told that would make that much of a difference to what I'm currently doing. Not one ducking answer.
They also outright refused to come here to make their case.
They did seem it was important to copy and paste to their Facebook page the conversation we has here, but not answer any direct questions on the subject.
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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/21 23:20:59 (permalink)
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Yeah it's rubbish.

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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/22 23:19:11 (permalink)
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Sounds like a con to me.. But hopefully I'm wrong
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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/23 01:16:54 (permalink)
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Even if its not a con, the information you'll get will only be a snapshot of your dna at that point in time. Dna is constantly changing and adapts to any stress or environmental changes your body experiences and will affect your dna. Research in relation to epigenetics is showing that dna is ever changing and dynamic. so take home message, save your money.  
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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/23 09:10:39 (permalink)
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Personally I am waiting until DNA testing is more advanced.
DNA tests available at the moment aren`t comprehensive enough yet.
Not worth the cost IMO

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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/23 11:51:53 (permalink)
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Would like to hear what Uriel has to say about this, he's pretty clued up on medical topics.
 
Could be great if it was accurate but as others have pointed out, I believe there are too many variable to consider for it to be precise.

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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/23 12:35:43 (permalink)
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He would agree with us.

First of all fibre percentage will be different in each muscle so the test is already rendered useless, not that I believe fibre percentage should dictate the rep scheme used anyway.. Then, fibre types can also convert with training. Then you have to look at the fact that they are not simply fast twitch or slow twitch fibres. You have type 1 (slow twitch), type 11b (fast twitch) and type 11a (hybrid), and all the fibres that run between these to varying degrees.

Then there is no evidence to suggest that someone with more type 11b fibres will respond better to 3 reps than they will 12 reps for hypertrophy. So even if we could accurately decipher the fibre percentage of each muscle, it doesn't mean we would be able to confidently modify our training to exploit this.

Save your money.

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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/23 16:45:00 (permalink)
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Would like to hear what Uriel has to say about this, he's pretty clued up on medical topics.
 
Could be great if it was accurate but as others have pointed out, I believe there are too many variable to consider for it to be precise.


He marked my post helpful , so I think he would agree with it .
 
I Know Ronnie Coleman had one done and they could see massive amount of growth factors that meant he was able to recover quicker and train every bodypart twice a week and put on massive ammounts of size , but its all well and good testing a MR O retrospectively because we already know they have supreme genetics , its a bit like telling a ginger they have red hair.
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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/24 17:34:28 (permalink)
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Would like to hear what Uriel has to say about this, he's pretty clued up on medical topics.
 
Could be great if it was accurate but as others have pointed out, I believe there are too many variable to consider for it to be precise.


He marked my post helpful , so I think he would agree with it .
 
I Know Ronnie Coleman had one done and they could see massive amount of growth factors that meant he was able to recover quicker and train every bodypart twice a week and put on massive ammounts of size , but its all well and good testing a MR O retrospectively because we already know they have supreme genetics , its a bit like telling a ginger they have red hair.




That's the nature nurture argument, does he have those growth factors because his genes have adapted to the training, or does he have the growth factors to begin with? Personally I would go for the latter!
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Re: DNA Testing 2014/12/24 17:49:44 (permalink)
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Would like to hear what Uriel has to say about this, he's pretty clued up on medical topics.
 
Could be great if it was accurate but as others have pointed out, I believe there are too many variable to consider for it to be precise.


He marked my post helpful , so I think he would agree with it .
 
I Know Ronnie Coleman had one done and they could see massive amount of growth factors that meant he was able to recover quicker and train every bodypart twice a week and put on massive ammounts of size , but its all well and good testing a MR O retrospectively because we already know they have supreme genetics , its a bit like telling a ginger they have red hair.




That's the nature nurture argument, does he have those growth factors because his genes have adapted to the training, or does he have the growth factors to begin with? Personally I would go for the latter!


looking at pics and quotes  before he was training you would say he was a freak to start with  , the owner of the gym he trained at stated he had veins popping out of his legs before he started to train them , but wouldn't argue against the fact that his body may have adapted as a result of training and gear over time , if you compare the likes of Dorian who looked like an average bloke before he started to train , what use a DNA test would be to someone who doesn't train to find out if they have good genes or not is unknown , but having one done and finding out your have  massive recovery genes doesn't mean your going to be a good shape , still cant see the point.
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