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2005/08/01 12:10:13 (permalink)
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Deadlifts taking so long

For a while now i've realised importance of warm up sets, following injury to lower back in January.

Currently i'm deadlifting 5x5 @ 115kg and have recently been able to add 2.5 kg a week for a while now, but grip's becomming a problem even with chalk. Anyway,

For this i've been doing warm-ups as follows:-

5 x 60kg
4 x 95kg
3 x 105kg
2 x 110kg
1 x 112.5kg

1. Is this suitable as a warm ups scheme?
2. Do I need all this??? as with work sets and warm ups it can take upto 45min. and then i have rows and chins after deads?

Just want to know if this is ok or am I doing too much etc?

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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 12:32:13 (permalink)
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    would singles not be more appropriate? seen as your only warming up, your getting your body ready for the actual work set is there any point to these extra reps?
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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 12:37:16 (permalink)
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    how long are you resting in between those warm up sets?

    should be able to whizz straight through them I'd have thought..?
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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 12:46:01 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Scottish

    would singles not be more appropriate? seen as your only warming up, your getting your body ready for the actual work set is there any point to these extra reps?


    I'm not sure mate. That's why i'm posting for advice really mate to see if they're all necessary

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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 12:48:00 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: df908

    how long are you resting in between those warm up sets?

    should be able to whizz straight through them I'd have thought..?


    As long as it take to get the plates on really, and write in my book (for refernce for next time). Biggest thing maybe is resting period is between work sets and thats as long as i feel i need possibly 3-4 mins sometimes. Never timed it though

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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 12:57:38 (permalink)
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    It looks okay to me and if the weigths are going up..............
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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 13:02:10 (permalink)
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    IMO thats too much. Id just do 2 sets of 8 - 10 reps @ 80 - 100kg and then just max out on the heaviest weight to finish off.

    Thats what I do anyway and its working well ATM.

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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 13:08:56 (permalink)
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    well this is a bit split really isnt it???

    do you all agree upto 45min is too long to spend on just deads?

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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 13:13:09 (permalink)
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    Patevo1 well its your back mate, Rodge has had back probs from deadlifts before so I doubt if that's really the answer.

    It sounds like:

    the working sets will take about 25mins (tops) of that time - not much you can do to cut that down
    the warm ups are about as quick as you can make them as you're not sitting around twiddling your thumbs, you're changing plates and getting straight onto the next one

    personally I wouldn't worry - a few extra mins for proper warm ups vs. potential knackered back, no contest really.
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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 13:28:15 (permalink)
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    Woops, my bad - didnt read that part



    ORIGINAL: df908

    Patevo1 well its your back mate, Rodge has had back probs from deadlifts before so I doubt if that's really the answer.

    It sounds like:

    the working sets will take about 25mins (tops) of that time - not much you can do to cut that down
    the warm ups are about as quick as you can make them as you're not sitting around twiddling your thumbs, you're changing plates and getting straight onto the next one

    personally I wouldn't worry - a few extra mins for proper warm ups vs. potential knackered back, no contest really.


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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 13:31:46 (permalink)
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    Nige,
    I see what you're saying mate, it just seems so long doesnt it? So you'd say stick with the warm ups due to my previous back prob?

    Re: the back, it still aches like a mother f*cker a couple of days a week, i spend time every day stretching lower back/glutes as directed by chiropractor, suppose thats all I can do really.

    Weights still going up, and bulking starts in a few weeks (after hols) just got a new camera so progress photos's going up this week. I'm bored to death of dieting!

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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 15:59:31 (permalink)
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    BencherRdg, I wouldn't say that 45 minutes is too long to be spending on deadlifts- unless you have a lot of other work to fit in as well and your whole workout ends up taking more than, say, an hour and a half. I personally spend about that long on deadlifts sometimes, often with a similar set/rep scheme- although I am not training to get bigger, but to get better at deadlifting, so there is a difference.

    I think you are definitely doing too many watm-up sets, though. If your working sets are with 115, I see no reason to be plodding through four sets within 20kg of that. You jump 35kg from 60 to 95, then do another four sets with very little increase in weight. I'd suggest something like this:
    60x5, 85x3, 100x3, 115x5x5
    You should be well enough warmed up from those three sets to pull your working sets with good form. If you think that you need more to safeguard your back, add another set or two with just 60kg.
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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 16:34:38 (permalink)
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    Ok cheers Tokar,
    I'll try that on Friday. I'll also try something similar perhaps with my squat warm up tonight. I'm lifting basically the same weight for squat and dead, although thats 4x6.

    Thanks,

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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 16:34:38 (permalink)
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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 16:51:23 (permalink)
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    Yes rodge, your last 3 warm up sets are so close in weight that there is a bit of redundancy creeping in.

    for my new 190kg score (takes a bow) I am warming up like:

    60kg x5
    110kg x5
    170kg x3
    I dont count time between warm up sets but there will be a bit of recovery between the last warm up and the work sets.

    then 190kg 5x5 with 4 mins recovery between sets.

    45 minutes is not excessive. You are shifting a fair poundage overall and this is the major lift of the pull day on the 5*5 routine. After the deads the session should pick up quite quickly as I will bet you lower the recovery time for chins and rows (say 2 mins or so). And there should only be about three exercises, maybe four, tops, in the session. And after you deads your warm-ups for the remaining exercises are perfunctory or even non-existant!

    -Sooty
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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 17:19:45 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: sootybaby

    Yes rodge, your last 3 warm up sets are so close in weight that there is a bit of redundancy creeping in.

    for my new 190kg score (takes a bow) I am warming up like:

    60kg x5
    110kg x5
    170kg x3
    I dont count time between warm up sets but there will be a bit of recovery between the last warm up and the work sets.

    ok thing is i was alwys lead to believe that you had to lessen the increments on the last of the warm ups as you get close to the working weight. I'm in effect wasting energy i suppose!LOL!
    Yeah i agree i wouldnt always wait after last w/up before startin work sets, this is where i do side bends/ twist side to side, do a few BW sldl's etc


    then 190kg 5x5 with 4 mins recovery between sets.

    45 minutes is not excessive. You are shifting a fair poundage overall and this is the major lift of the pull day on the 5*5 routine. After the deads the session should pick up quite quickly as I will bet you lower the recovery time for chins and rows (say 2 mins or so). And there should only be about three exercises, maybe four, tops, in the session. And after you deads your warm-ups for the remaining exercises are perfunctory or even non-existant!

    well as ive been doinf 3x8 on the rows and chins, yes there's less recovery time. I do still do 8x50% and 8x75% warm up on the BB rows though.

    Bloody ran out of time and had to rush the chins on saturaday 1x8 1 x7 not enough recovery time

    3rd set didnt happen (nearly got locked in the gym)
    -Sooty



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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 17:33:18 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: tokar

    BencherRdg, I wouldn't say that 45 minutes is too long to be spending on deadlifts- unless you have a lot of other work to fit in as well and your whole workout ends up taking more than, say, an hour and a half. I personally spend about that long on deadlifts sometimes, often with a similar set/rep scheme- although I am not training to get bigger, but to get better at deadlifting, so there is a difference.

    I think you are definitely doing too many watm-up sets, though. If your working sets are with 115, I see no reason to be plodding through four sets within 20kg of that. You jump 35kg from 60 to 95, then do another four sets with very little increase in weight. I'd suggest something like this:
    60x5, 85x3, 100x3, 115x5x5
    You should be well enough warmed up from those three sets to pull your working sets with good form. If you think that you need more to safeguard your back, add another set or two with just 60kg.

    Word.

    I will add, it's fantastic you are actually putting enough effort into deadlifts that it actually takes you 45mins to complete your sets! Better that, than ****ing about and going through the motions with half what you could lift, then wasting recovery on crappy machines like 99% of people.
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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 17:38:27 (permalink)
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    Word.

    I will add, it's fantastic you are actually putting enough effort into deadlifts that it actually takes you 45mins to complete your sets! Better that, than ****ing about and going through the motions with half what you could lift, then wasting recovery on crappy machines like 99% of people.
    Word.

    sorry mate I didnt understand any of that. Could you rephrase it or explain further what you mean?

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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 17:39:54 (permalink)
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    It means well done, you twit!

    The main clue to that being the..

    I will add, it's fantastic you are actually putting enough effort into deadlifts that it actually takes you 45mins to complete your sets!
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    RE: Deadlifts taking so long 2005/08/01 17:47:49 (permalink)
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    sorry mate Didnt understand at first thants all! Well I put my all into them yes. I think we all put 100% in dont we (or should i say should do!)

    Machines i dont use apart from donkey calf raise machine.

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