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2009/07/26 12:05:23 (permalink)
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Deadlifts vs. squats

I'm sure many people here have read the books Brawn and Beyond Brawn by Stuart McRobert....

 He says that some people are more suited to conventional deadlifting than squatting(and vice versa) and should choose the one best for them....

 So my question is,has anyone here ever used deadlifts as their only/main leg exercise?

 Reading most of the posts here,people put the deadlift in with back training as is the norm.
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    yungdest81
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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 12:31:29 (permalink)
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    I do em both, but find squats real hard if im honest !

    (leg day)
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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 13:50:36 (permalink)
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    I don't think he meant replace Squats with regular straight bar Deadlifts, he talks about the Growth Hormone release when you do heavy sets of Squats and Deadlifts, as he was a believer in the 20 rep Squat routines so he suggested doing 20 reps of Deads if your body type was more suited to them.

    He did suggest that Trap Bar Deadlifts could replace Squats for some people as your body stays more upright and your legs do a majority of the work. 

    He also maneged to fuk himself up quite badly doing 20 rep deadlifts with 180kg(?) I think.
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    Rocky
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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 14:11:15 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the replies....There does seem to be conflicting advice(to a degree) within the books.....

     He does indeed say that the trap-bar deadlift could replace squats in one part of the book.,"If you cannot get great results from the barbell squat then promote the trap bar deadlift....."

     But he also says,"If you do not have a trap bar,then the sumo-style deadlift may be more productive"...

     I know he now never recommends performing both squats and deadlifts within the same program(but he does in his first book,Brawn).

     This is why i was curious to see if anyone had only used deadlifting variations as their sole leg exercise.
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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 14:19:36 (permalink)
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    I read the books years ago so can't remember exactly what he wrote.
    For me his suggested routines were too infrequent.

    You can do variations of deadlifts that will involve the legs more, they keep your back more upright during the exercise.

    Deadlifts with a wide snatch grip width hand placement makes you bend the legs more and also if you do them while standing on a small platform again makes you bend down more so increasing the use of the legs.

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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 14:20:52 (permalink)
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    Personally I reckon deadlifts are better, not just for an exercise but best for legs aswell.

    When I deadlift I squat down, like a squat but holding a barbell, maybe that's why.
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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 14:22:15 (permalink)
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    No, do both.

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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 14:23:06 (permalink)
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    And find it hard to squat as heavy and intense as deadlifts because it's not safe.
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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 14:24:46 (permalink)
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    its not safe? how come so? no squat rack..?

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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 14:41:58 (permalink)
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    Whilst McRobert had some good things to say, he also talked a load of bull too.
     
    People are more suited to either or, ie you could excell at one and not the other in terms of weight lifted, but they are different lifts and barring injury should both be done by most trainees.

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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 14:52:18 (permalink)
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    Owen

    its not safe? how come so? no squat rack..?


    Well I train to failure or very near to failure which isn't safe with a barbell on your shoulders.
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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 15:02:32 (permalink)
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    Owen

    its not safe? how come so? no squat rack..?


    Well I train to failure or very near to failure which isn't safe with a barbell on your shoulders.


    If you have no spotters or a rack then sure it's unsafe. But if you do supports or spotters then it fine to train to failure with a barbell on your shoulders. Do you train to failure on the bench press (dumbell or barbell)? Because that's the one that's gona hurt if you do mess up big. I believe more people die or have a serious impact injury benching every year than squating.
     
    Just dump the bar when squating if need be.
     
    I am not advocating always going to failure, as that isn't needed for any goal.

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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 15:13:09 (permalink)
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    Yeah I have a spotter and train to failure on bench press (barbell flat). What I do is train to failure or very close to with minimum amount of sets/exercises, this has given me the best gains.

    I don't fancy dumping the weight from my shoulders for a number of reasons. How does a spotter help you get the weight back onto the rack?
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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 15:20:44 (permalink)
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    I only ever do trad deadlifts on leg days. The legs and lower/mid back are doing all the donkey work. Why work the thighs again on a non leg day!
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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 15:23:56 (permalink)
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    I don't fancy dumping the weight from my shoulders for a number of reasons. How does a spotter help you get the weight back onto the rack?


    They grab hold of you and help you back into the rack. Pretty easy to do.
     
    If you have one spotter then they stand behind and spott under your arms and across the chest if they have too. If you have two then they can side spot. The best is too have 3 spotters. One back and two sides.
     
    On your own if your in a rack you just squat down to the pins.
     
    If your on your own and don't have safety supports then thats not a good time to max squats unless you a weightlifter. Those guys have no probs dumping the bar back thanks to great flexability in the shoulders.

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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 15:26:19 (permalink)
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    S¬A¬L

    I only ever do trad deadlifts on leg days. The legs and lower/mid back are doing all the donkey work. Why work the thighs again on a non leg day!


    Squats train the quads, hams, glutes, upper and lower back and shoulders
     
    Deadlifts train quads, hams, glutes, upper and lower back, shoulders, grip
     
    Lots of overlap no matter how you break it up. You are correct though in that deadlifts are indeed really a 'leg' lift despite the prouncounced effect they have on the back.

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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 19:35:01 (permalink)
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    Thanks for so many responses guys!!..

     The main reason i ask is because my current routine is squats and SLDL....

     I have found(after much trial and error) that squats are aggrivating my already dodgy shoulder and wondered if deadlifts would be a good alternative.
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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/26 19:47:19 (permalink)
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    Rocky

    Thanks for so many responses guys!!..

    The main reason i ask is because my current routine is squats and SLDL....

    I have found(after much trial and error) that squats are aggrivating my already dodgy shoulder and wondered if deadlifts would be a good alternative.


    No deads are not really a replacement for squats, despite much in common.
     
    If you have persued all avenues to re-hab your shoulder or technical measures then there are other lifts that done will do the job. Assuming you goals are muscle mass in nature then leg pressing and deadlifting (or variations) should cover your bases.

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    Re:Deadlifts vs. squats 2009/07/27 12:10:33 (permalink)
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    deadlifts vs squats?

    They're like best friends, they'd never have a fight!
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