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2004/03/24 07:55:55 (permalink)
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Defined Pecs

I am having problems with my chest. I am gaining strength but that is not necessarily what I am looking for. Is there different exercises for getting a defined chest than gaining mass in the chest area. I am especially looking for definition in the lower pec area(i know its one big muscle, just the best way to describe what im looking for) Like i want my chest to be outlined instead of just gaining mass. Thanks for any advice you might have.
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    rogerthedog
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/24 08:28:17 (permalink)
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    If you don't want any more chest mass the only option you have is to lose some fat.
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/24 13:02:14 (permalink)
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    use the lower portion of the chest dips to define and bring out lower chest super setted with barbell neck presses,5x5 of each.
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/25 09:06:23 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by JohnnyFive

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    use the lower portion of the chest dips to define and bring out lower chest super setted with barbell neck presses,5x5 of each.

    Firstly dips don't target or define the lower pecs. Secondly presses to the neck are suicide for your rotator cuffs and severely limit poundages.

    Just increase the cardio, drop calories, blah blah lose body fat all over.


    If you do them right they do define the lower pecs and no they will not damage rotor cuffs if yes done correctly,no wide grip ones.Try telling larry scott that they didnt work,dips and neck presses super setted was his fav routine.
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/25 10:10:58 (permalink)
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    if you believe that an exercise can define the lower pecs then you also believe in spot reduction. If that is the case then you best go and relearn your stuff
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/25 16:05:15 (permalink)
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    can't target a part of a muscle just like shrek said.
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/25 17:32:33 (permalink)
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    So your saying you cant target your upper chest or your outer head of tricep or all 4 aspects of your quads,maybe you should learn to drop the amount of weight your using and use some concentration on the muscle being worked,if a muscle is worked ccorrectly it will look more defined and fuller with more shape than one that is just blasted any which way will look bunched up and fat.
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/25 18:54:20 (permalink)
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    I find it funny - ONE SMART COOKIE has got his own bodybuilding forum and he comes up with stuff like above.
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/25 19:19:24 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by ONE SMART COOKIE

    So your saying you cant target your upper chest or your outer head of tricep or all 4 aspects of your quads,maybe you should learn to drop the amount of weight your using and use some concentration on the muscle being worked,if a muscle is worked ccorrectly it will look more defined and fuller with more shape than one that is just blasted any which way will look bunched up and fat.



    erm.... thats crap. are you seriously trying to tell me if i just did incline presses for 5 years and nothing else, i would have unbalenced triceps, massive front delts and no rear delts, and a huge upper chest with a tiny lower chest. get real.

    buy a peice of steak or get a rubber band, pinch one part between your left fingers and thumb, keep this side stationary [use a vice if you have one], pull the other side with your right fingers and thumb to stretch it, moving only the right hand. are you going to suggest that only the right hand side of the steak is under tension?

    the WHOLE muscle is under tension, all the time. therefore the WHOLE muscle grows as one, not constituant parts.
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/25 22:19:14 (permalink)
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    I swear I'm gonna shoot myself if this becomes another debate about working a part of a muscle fiber. Ugh!
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/26 04:07:52 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by PsYoP78

    I swear I'm gonna shoot myself if this becomes another debate about working a part of a muscle fiber. Ugh!



    i would say that if you believe something then it's probably best to do it. that way you have no one to blame but yourself if something happens/doesn't happen. i'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, i'm just trying to make a suggestion.
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/26 09:01:58 (permalink)
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    Originally posted by whitehotice

    I find it funny - ONE SMART COOKIE has got his own bodybuilding forum and he comes up with stuff like above.


    Maybe you should check my forum out then you will see I do know what I`m talking about.
    If you were to do just incline for 5yrs you would have muscle growth in all areas used to lift the weight but you would be very unbalanced and look strangley odd,if all we ever needed was one exercise per muscle group we would have worked that one out long before now and there would be no need for forums like this to help people with the minor details of bringing out the most shape and fullness to a muscle.
    As i always say if you dont try you will never know.
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/26 16:41:40 (permalink)
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    If you were to do just incline for 5yrs you would have muscle growth in all areas used to lift the weight but you would be very unbalanced and look strangley odd


    i would be willing to bet heavily on the fact that marius pudzzzzzgey [wsm] has never been near an incline bench, and not only is he a bricksh.thouse, he is very well balenced:

    http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~haarj/images/WSM%202002/mariusz-a.jpg

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    bringing out the most shape and fullness to a muscle

    #1 there is no way you can "bring out shape" genetics determine that, a muscle can hypertrophy, or atrophy, thats it.
    #2 whats "fullness" and why [scientifics please] do isolations enhance this "fullness"?
    #3 even if you could enhance fullness and bring out shape, you nedd to be near your genetic potential to make it worth while doing in the first place in terms of mass, which, this guy clearly isn't. [no offence intended there rat1330...]
    rob
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/26 17:06:21 (permalink)
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    Try this link then you will(hopefully)see what I am trying to get across
    http://www.bodybuildinglive.com/vincegironda/pages/ultimate_decision_bodybuilder_weightlifter.htm
    If you`ve done any bbing shows(which I assume you have)you should already know what fullness is without needing scientific proof.And if anybody finds fault or likes the above link let me know what you think.
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/26 17:13:06 (permalink)
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    Guys - whether you agree with OSC or not - please debate this in a polite mannor.

    I swear I am really getting sick of the attitude of some posters in the training forums - expect some emails
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/26 19:29:36 (permalink)
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    After reading first five paragraphs of that article it became clear to me that no matter how long you say you've been involved in bodybuilding you actually dont know the fundamental basics of it.

    The guy who wrote the article keeps mentioning 'shaping and sculpting a muscle' and uses bench press as an example of an exercise that 'will never really develop any muscle' - and if you believe in that and worship it so much then you should probably go back to the basics of what muscle hypertrophy is.


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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/26 19:45:59 (permalink)
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    Everybody to their own.
    15 yrs training put 7.5stone on in first 8yrs,so I didnt do tooo bad and that includes dieting down and gaining again after doing shows,and helping others get into the best shape of their lives using those methods.
    Maybe vince gironda didnt know what he was talking about then?as you seem to put it,well all i can say is that they`ve been around for the last forty or so years and still producing gains,lets see how long your ideas last.
    I think I`ll make this my last post over on this board,too many narrow minded people for my liking.
    Enjoy your training,if thats what you call it.
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/26 20:09:06 (permalink)
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    Yeh good point by J5, theres always disagreements, especially on the training forum (and quite heated sometimes too)!

    But the whole point is

    1. You will learn something
    2. They will learn something
    3. You will both learn something

    None will happen if u leave.....

    Dont go, dont go, dont go!
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    RE: Defined Pecs 2004/03/27 14:38:46 (permalink)
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    I'm not going to say wether I agree with OSC or not but I will say that I respect his oppinions considerably, all be it sometimes a little different.

    OSC has helped me massively with my training and nutrition, and I was no begginer before I first met him. His routines and diets do work and have helped many a bb'er get to their goals.

    I wont go on about how great I think he is any longer before you all start to dissagree, but I will say that he has mailed me to say that he has left this board for good! I am personally imbarraced because I invited him here saying how great it is and how the members are so nice...like a familly! Well we have just lost a valuable member guys, well done! He isnt running away from polite debate because there has been no polite debate.

    Would any of you speak to James Collier in the same way you did to OSC? I think not! Certain posters have been rude and there is no reason to be rude because someone thinks differently.

    I think there are a few too many people on low callories and high androgens around here.
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