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2008/05/18 09:14:47 (permalink)
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Diesel Vs Petrol?

I'm getting a new van in a week or two and have always had Diesels but was wondering about getting a petrol one now as it's over 10p a litre cheaper
round these parts!

I know nothing about this stuff but was told last night that you get more MPG from diesel so it works out more economical?

Anyone know?

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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 09:16:57 (permalink)
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    red diesel is cheapest
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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 09:18:18 (permalink)
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    LOL....yeah, I've used that on occasion

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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 09:23:40 (permalink)
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    Diesel originally designed his engines to run on peanut oil if I recall correctly.

    And diesel engines can be run on veggie oils today with some minor adjustments so I understand?

    So erm.. how much is a litre of Tesco Value veggie oil?
    post edited by Yohimbe - 2008/05/18 09:24:12
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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 09:27:15 (permalink)
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    not sure? LOL

    Heard this before! can't be legal that....can it?



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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 09:33:24 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Neb

    not sure? LOL

    Heard this before! can't be legal that....can it?





    It's only illegal cos there is no fuel duty on veggie oil. I believe it is legal if you fill a form (to say have used veggie oil as transport fuel) and pay the duty.

    You might consider a diesel to be fairly future proof for this reason, were it not for the fact that ultimately the demise of mineral oil and gas will ultimately cause veggie oils to rise also. But still....
    post edited by Yohimbe - 2008/05/18 09:36:05
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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 09:42:44 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Neb


    Heard this before! can't be legal that....can it?




    Id hate to think you would ever break the law neb..

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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 09:51:04 (permalink)
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    my fingers are burning as I type my foreign friend....

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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 09:57:53 (permalink)
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    I remember reading that a whole town.. may have been Wales.. had a big clamp down after it was noticed that a lot of the vans smelled a bit.. chip shoppy.

    I like diesel engines cos they are built to last and have lots of torque, which in some situations can be a good thing
    post edited by Yohimbe - 2008/05/18 09:58:51
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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 09:59:20 (permalink)
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    LMAO

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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 10:05:04 (permalink)
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    does anyone actually know the answer to my original question?

    Is diesel as a fuel more economical in the long run as you get more MPG from it?

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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 10:07:20 (permalink)
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    well it depends on the vehicle you spanner and engine size

    what van are you getting? What MPG do the diesel and petrol variations give? and how many miles per week are you planning on doing?

    Let me know and I'll work it out for you, with a pretty spreadsheet, OK son?


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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 10:11:30 (permalink)
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    Yes of course its definately more economical still even tho you pay more to fill the tank initially you get more MPG from it. If deisel keeps going up quicker than petrol tho it may eventually tip the scale the other way. I think it would have to be quick a significant rise tho to do that. Also is there a big price difference between the petrol and diesel vans?
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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 10:14:19 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: CheeseOnToast

    well it depends on the vehicle you spanner and engine size

    what van are you getting? What MPG do the diesel and petrol variations give? and how many miles per week are you planning on doing?

    Let me know and I'll work it out for you, with a pretty spreadsheet, OK son?


    I'm torn between two....one large and one small.

    Mercedes Vito....or a Peugeot Expert

    As for the rest. Fcuk knows LOL I haven't looked into engine sizes. Just what I can fit in it

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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 10:15:06 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: American Dream

    Yes of course its definately more economical still even tho you pay more to fill the tank initially you get more MPG from it. If deisel keeps going up quicker than petrol tho it may eventually tip the scale the other way. I think it would have to be quick a significant rise tho to do that. Also is there a big price difference between the petrol and diesel vans?


    See Cheese...this is the answer I wanted...nice and simple. Thanks AD

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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 10:34:47 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Neb

    does anyone actually know the answer to my original question?

    Is diesel as a fuel more economical in the long run as you get more MPG from it?


    Yes you will get far better mpg from diesel than from petrol, even though the diesel is more expensive if youa re doing the miles it will be cheaper. Cooking oil is also an option but certain models will be expensive as more changes are needed. You are allowed so much tax free cooking oil for rd use which is a pretty high mileage figure before you start paying duty on it. No one will ever know though...

    Alternatively, you could buy a petrol vehicle and get a gas conversion on it. About £1500 for the conversion but the fuel is about half the price. Well worth it if you plan on keeping the vehicle for years and are doing mileage.

    Imo, i would go the diesel route myself as ive never personally had experience with gas conversions, other than mates raving on about how cheap their car is to run...

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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 10:42:29 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Neb


    ORIGINAL: American Dream

    Yes of course its definately more economical still even tho you pay more to fill the tank initially you get more MPG from it. If deisel keeps going up quicker than petrol tho it may eventually tip the scale the other way. I think it would have to be quick a significant rise tho to do that. Also is there a big price difference between the petrol and diesel vans?


    See Cheese...this is the answer I wanted...nice and simple. Thanks AD



    I remember something on Top Gear about this.... IF you are buying brand new, Diesel engined cars/vans are more expensive, by a couple of thousand quid. You have to do approx 250,000 miles in the diesel car/van in order to save enough on fuel to repay the extra cost of the initial outlay. Only then does it become cheaper to run a diesal. If you are biying second hand, then it may be more economical quicker.

    With regards to vegetable oil as fuel, the Government allow you to use so many litres per person per household before you start paying Fuel Duty on it. The same goes for Bio Diesel you make yourself. I can't remember the exact amounts though.
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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 10:46:53 (permalink)
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    Ok guys thanks....Lets talk veg oil!!!!

    How many alterations do I need to do? or would I be able to just tip a load of 'crisp n dry' in the tank without doing anything

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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 11:01:21 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Yohimbe

    Diesel originally designed his engines to run on peanut oil if I recall correctly.

    And diesel engines can be run on veggie oils today with some minor adjustments so I understand?

    So erm.. how much is a litre of Tesco Value veggie oil?


    my bros running is Defender on veggie oil and diesel. Cant remember the ratio you have to use but the engine runs fine, no drop in performance.
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    RE: Diesel Vs Petrol? 2008/05/18 11:03:45 (permalink)
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    If you have a Volvo or Merc, no alteration is needed. Pour Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO) in. However, It is obviously alot thicker than diesel. A good ratio of SVO : Diesel is 60:40 to start with. You can then add more SVO up to about 80 : 20. Any other car may need minor alterations. The only major problem is the rubber seals within the engine can corode as SVO and Watse Vegetable Oil (WVO) is more acidic.

    In the winter, or cold periods, you will need to increase the amount of Diesel used, and the SVO or WVO will become alot thicker, and the engine won't be able to cope.

    If you used SVO or WVO, expect to change your filter fairly soon. Maybe after the 2nd or 3rd time you fill up. This is becuse the SVO/WVO strips all the dirt out of your engine.

    There are many websites on the net which can help. I am by no means an expert, but I have a Diesel engine, and have looked into it.

    You can make it yourself. You can buy the machine, pour WVO in one end, add a couple of chemicals, and then you get Biodeisel come out the other end. However, if you decide to do this, make sure you use chip shop fat. If you use fat/oil that has had alot of meat cooked in it, then it is too acidic, and the cost of adding more chemicals, makes it less economical to make.

    I have thought of making it myself, especially as many Chip Shops etc will actually pay you to take it off their hands.... The only problem being, where to make it. I don't think my neighbours would like the chip shop smell all year round, and I doubt the Home Ins people would like me storing and heating a load of Chip Shop Oil in my house/garden???
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