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Wanting_To_Be_Skinny_Minnie
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2009/05/30 23:57:42 (permalink)
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Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions

Hello all,

I used to post here a VERY long time ago, but I couldn't remember what username I signed up with so I re-registered.

When I was last here, I was living in Bucks, now I'm in north Manchester (at least for the time being!) and have been put in temporary accommodation by the local housing authority.  This is causing me HUGE problems when it comes to eating healthily and/or sensibly, because I do not have access to any form of cooking equipment (okay, there's a microwave in the dining room, but the cook/general maintenance bloke locks it when he leaves the building. It is supposed to be open for breakfast between 8 and 10:30, but I was down by 9:45 this morning and he'd already locked it and left! Similarly, it's supposed to be open for dinner between 7:30 and 10:30, but I was down by 9:30 and he'd locked up (I don't eat the food here, because he deep fries EVERYTHING, so I buy ready meals from ASDA (the only local supermarket)).

I have other problems (IBS being the main one and, obviously, this restriction isn't helping). This is what I WAS eating (before my best mate got hold of me and bollocked me about it)

Breakfast: - 50g porridge (made with 100% water)
Lunch: - Ham or chicken salad sandwich (made with the lowest calorie bread I can find), a Weight Watchers yoghurt and an apple
Snack: - Apple/orange/plum/peach/satsumas - whatever I fancy in the fruit line
Dinner: - ASDA smart price ready meal not exceeding 300kcals.

But I have been snacking on VERY high carb stuff (Twiglets, WW mini Cheddars, even some cake and chocolate's been creeping in, and I'm a sucker for Starbucks (I did swap from a grande skinny mocha to a tall skinny caramel macchiato with sugar-free vanilla syrup, but I know I've got to go cold-turkey and cut it out completely). I have found that I've been having at least 2 sandwiches a day.

I have a small fridge in my room (well, not so much a fridge, as one of those beer chiller type things).

Because of my restricted diet, I have been taking H&B one a day multivits.

I don't have much weight I need to lose - probably about a stone or so, but because my diet is so poor, my weight has been fluctuating as much as a stone in a week (I weighed myself in Boots on the 21st and I was 8st 3lb. However, I weighed myself a couple of days ago and it was 9st 2! I certainly DO NOT feel 8st 3 at the moment! I feel swollen, blobby and generally miserable.

I know I need to switch from a high-carb to a high-protein diet (or at least increase my protein consumption) but I'm really struggling. Calories terrify me (I know what my RMR is - well, I base it on what my RMR should be when I weighed myself at 8st 3) but I need to find a low-cal, low-fat diet that keeps me satiated (unless anyone can recommend an appetite suppressant).

The other problem I have is forcing myself out of the building. I suffer with generalised severe anxiety disorder and it takes a VERY great deal of effort to force myself out (and, when I do, I'm panicking because I don't know what I'm eating, calorie wise). I can't afford to join a gym.

This is desperation stakes. I need a diet that stops me feeling empty, crap and achy - and helps alleviate my IBS. I do not have a GP at the moment (waiting to hear back from the PALS people on that one).

When I weighed in at 8st 3 (51kg) I was elated as it's the lowest I've EVER been in my adult life. The sensible side of me is telling me that I can't gain a stone in a week, that's just stupid. I didn't look as blobbily fat then as I do now (and I'd been measured for a new bra, and I'm now finding that the bras which were a perfect fit, cup-wise at least, just a week ago, are too small.)

I need a radical dietary overhaul - and fast! This was me just over a year ago - don't have any pics now because I don't have a camera anymore.

I just can't control what I eat - how can I eat healthily, restrict my calorie intake and stick to a high protein, low-fat, low-carb, low-cal diet - AND NOT FEEL SODDING HUNGRY ALL THE BLEEDIN' TIME...?! I was all set to go down the clen route, before my best mate bollocked me about it.

I've lost this much (I'd tell you how much if I knew what I REALLY weighed now, but I was 15st in that photo) without too much in the way of exercise, it's all been done simply with calorie restriction, but I was living with my folks then and I was able to eat better (I had scrambled eggs and very lean bacon for brekkie for example, baked spud with tuna for lunch and chicken in some kind of tomato-based sauce for dinner with mash and spinach (raw, though, not cooked - hate it cooked).

Now, I'm struggling and I'm terrified. This is why I'm posting here because I thought who better to give me sound advice, but you lot...? I have no support for my mental health issues (because every shrink I've met doesn't believe there to be bugger all wrong with me - so why have I now been signed off by the DWP indefinitely...?) and I've not been able to leave the building to go out (save a dash to ASDA in over a fortnight - and that makes me panicky!)

My mate suggested I have a microwave in my room, but it's against the rules here (no, I don't know why either). Today I had cold spag bol for dinner because Nazi Boy (as he is affectionately known) had locked the dining room by 9:45! Housing have spoken to the management, but they don't wish to do anything about it ('cause Nazi Boy's good at his job).

So, can anyone help me - with the diet side of things at least...?

Cheers folks,

Sarah xxx
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    Wanting_To_Be_Skinny_Minnie
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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/05/31 17:21:06 (permalink)
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    No one...? PLEASE, I'm DESPERATE!! I know what I need to do, but I can't seem to do it. I've just had 480kcals worth of cake and I HATE myself for it.

    I'm not overweight, but I'd like to get down to a mid-range BMI (20) which would mean getting back down to around 8st 5 (I'm 5' 3.7" tall according to Boots).

    I know that protein can help to make you feel satiated, and I'm drinking water like you'd not believe. Even started buying sugar-free flavoured water (still, not fizzy for probably obvious reasons).

    I respect the people here (I received a lot of help when I used to post before, particularly from Dawn and Liz - I've done VLCDs, both LL and Cambridge - even got suckered in by WW and SW).

    I have no energy, I feel constantly sick and my IBS playing up something chronic!)

    Thanks friends,

    Sarah xxx
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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/05/31 17:33:50 (permalink)
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    Hi Sarah,

    ive flagged this for someone who should be able to help.
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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/05/31 17:45:28 (permalink)
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    Cheers mate!

    I've been in tears most of the afternoon, because it frightens me. That photo, if you've looked at it, was me at around 15st or so. I have a mate who's trying to help me, but he's no dietician, just a concerned friend.

    I received a lot of help here before - particularly from Liz, Dawn and some bloke who's name I've forgotten (Paul, I think).

    You wouldn't believe that, when I was able to work, I used to work for a dietician, so I should KNOW all this stuff!

    People who knew me when I was obese, say they are jealous of me now, but I can't see why when I look in the mirror!) My mate says it's just because I have no willpower, but not being able to eat the right stuff doesn't help!

    Apart from the slip-up with the cake, I've had my usual porridge, Actimel (fat free) 2 small tins of tuna (with salad) an apple, and a weight-watchers yoghurt. I'll be having (if I'm able) a veggie cannelloni tonight, but with that my calorie total for the day will be 1,225 - about 475 more than I'm comfy with eating.

    Sarah xxx

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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/06/01 12:33:18 (permalink)
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    1,225 is pretty low Sarah! It worries me that you think you should be eating 750? I've looked at your pictures and flicked through the album to your current pictures, you look far from overweight, what height are you?
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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/06/01 13:19:41 (permalink)
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    No.13

    1,225 is pretty low Sarah! It worries me that you think you should be eating 750? I've looked at your pictures and flicked through the album to your current pictures, you look far from overweight, what height are you?


    Thank you mysterious No. 13! (what do I call you...? Can't call you '13'! ) I'm about 5' 3.6/.7") I've always been paranoid about my weight. I've gained quite a bit since those pics were taken, but I'm not able to do any exercise because I have a disability that prevents it. I've just calculated my RMR and am TERRIFIED if I go anywhere near it. Couldn't even have any breakfast this morning, because the dining room was locked at 9:30 (I didn't sleep very well last night, so didn't wake up very early). Being forced to eat crap isn't helping.

    I NEED to lose weight, I don't want to gain it. I've got clothes that fitted me just a couple of weeks ago (bras for example) that are now too small - in just a couple of weeks!

    Toying with going down the ECA route again, because I just don't know what to do. I'm sitting here eating dextrose tabs at the moment - bugger all in the way of nutrition, I know, but at least it gives me energy.

    I would like to be around 8st 1-4 consistently; don't know what I am at the moment, because I've not been able to get out (thanks to this place and the people who run it! ).

    All I've had to eat today is a couple of slices of WW bread, an Actimel, some tuna and an apple.

    I DON'T want to be emaciated, but nor do I want to go back to looking like THAT!

    Thank you for your concern, though, it's appreciated.

    Sarah xxx

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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/06/01 20:24:34 (permalink)
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    I think one of the main issues here is your living conditions and the cooking facilities. I suspect it is making you feel you have no control and I suspect you are someone who feels you need to have control.  Nothing wrong with that, I am the same.

    The obvious solution here is to get the living conditions rectified, but clearly I understand that is not going to happen instantly, so we need to look for an interim fix for you. 

    Please do not feel you have to answer, if these questions are deemed too personal or probing, just a few things came to mind for me.  What do you do with your time on a daily basis?  As you have said you have a disability, how restricted are you with exercise?  Do you work at all?

    I note you said you have problems with anxiety, does this restrict you getting out and about?  As I'm thinking more frequent visits to the shops and supermarkets for food perhaps.  An example might be to pop to Asda and get something from their salad bar and then have that with tuna or some chicken (ready cooked from Asda). 


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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/06/01 20:56:16 (permalink)
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    Hi Sarah and welcome back to MT. I'm not sure who you previously was and am sorry to hear about your current dilema.
     
    I think the easiest solution for now is to get yourself up earlier to make sure you get use of the cooking facilities for breakfast. If you're tired I'm sure you could have a snooze later. Once you start getting up a little sooner I'm sure your body will get accustomed to it. Also dare I suggest that lying in bed is possibly not helping your mental state. As you lie there I imagine you are not having happy thoughts and have nothing else to take your mind off things.
     
    You could also buy tinned tuna and other sort of fish to have at  dinner and perhaps a salad with it whilst the weather is nice and if you miss the cooking facilities again for carbs then oat cakes or rice cakes could be a suitable alternative.
    As for exercise, you do not need a gym. If you can't bring yourself to get out and at least walk then put on some music you like and dance to your hearts content in the privacy of your room. Make up some dance routines for yourself and perhaps incorporate some exercises into this so it's like a self made aerobic session .

    You do sound like you have a sensible head on those shoulders and know where you're going wrong so the next time you see that hand reach for a peice of cake then make the other hand slap it away.

    Take care and please ask if you need any further help
     
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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/06/02 09:08:39 (permalink)
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    Hi Sarah

    This was flagged for me to look at.

    The conditions are not ideal.  You need to raise why the room is locked at wrong times and why you can't have a microwave.

    In the meantime, however you need budget foods and convenient healthy snacks to eat

    Here's a plan I'd try to stick to:

    B/F
    1-2 Weetabix in skimmed milk
    Item fruit
    Drink green tea

    Mid-am - item fruit

    Lunch
    Sandwich - granary bread + low fat spread + tuna/mackerel/cheese
    raw salad veg

    Mid-pm - item fruit

    Evening meal
    Pasta/rice (brown) and tuna, chopped ham + salad

    Evening time - handful mixed nuts
    Banana


    • Use only skimmed milk - just get what you can keep in the fridge
    • Fruit will keep for a few days in the fruit bowl
    • Bread - get a small granary loaf and keep in your room
    • Low fat spread - get a small pack for the fridge
    • Get a range of 3-4 items of salad veg - cucumber, raw carrot, tomatoes, radish and small items will be ideal
    • Get some food storage containers
    • Cook up some pasta or rice for 2-3 days max in the communial microwave and mix this with tuna/tinned fish/cheese and eat with salad (be careful as you cool rice: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/newsletter-1107.aspx )

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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/06/03 09:58:50 (permalink)
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    Wanting_To_Be_Skinny_Minnie

    No one...? PLEASE, I'm DESPERATE!! I know what I need to do, but I can't seem to do it. I've just had 480kcals worth of cake and I HATE myself for it.

    I'm not overweight, but I'd like to get down to a mid-range BMI (20) which would mean getting back down to around 8st 5 (I'm 5' 3.7" tall according to Boots).

    I know that protein can help to make you feel satiated, and I'm drinking water like you'd not believe. Even started buying sugar-free flavoured water (still, not fizzy for probably obvious reasons).

    I respect the people here (I received a lot of help when I used to post before, particularly from Dawn and Liz - I've done VLCDs, both LL and Cambridge - even got suckered in by WW and SW).

    I have no energy, I feel constantly sick and my IBS playing up something chronic!)

    Thanks friends,

    Sarah xxx


    HI Sarah.

    I could not find the other thread you started where you asked me if I was going for the hard sell.

    I was just giving my 2pence TBH.
    We would not except you on our programme though as you only have 4 kG to lose, & being on benefit (as I saw in your first post) I feel we are not suited to you financially/nor for your weight loss needs.
    Were you BMI 30 + - I may well have suggested our programme

    As a company we focus mainly BMI 30+ - so I just wanted to offer some suggestion/s that would suit your current circumstances.

    How about a camping Gas stove for boiling Eggs - your posts seem lucid enough for you to be safe with a small camping stove.
    Eggs are a great source of protein & essential Fats = longer satiety rates + good (complete) quality amino's.

    Walking for 45 mins 6 days a week would also help you get into a routine, & no gym fees involved.

    Hope this helps...............

    Regards.

    HW




    post edited by Howards Way - 2009/06/03 13:04:02
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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/06/12 10:27:31 (permalink)
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    Sarah has sent me her diet via PM but we do not give out advice that way. This is a public forum and we like to share the help and advice and allow all knowledgeable members to join in too so that anyone else who is in the same situation may benefit. Here are the details.
     
     
    Thought I'd PM you, rather than clogging up the forum. The diet is being worked upon (I don't usually go for diet books, but the GI Diet seems sensible, so I'm trying to put it into practice).

    My diet looks something like this now: -

    Between 8 and 9: - Bowl of jumbo oatmeal made with 100% water (just can't bring myself to make it with milk, even though I probably should for the calcium) and a bit of Splenda. Actimel, multi-vit, 2 CLA caps, a Sesamin and a caffeine tab

    Lunch (around 1:30) is usually soup because I'm in town and I go to EAT. Yesterday it was Thai Butternut Squash with a hunk of soda bread followed by fruit salad. Oh and a cranberry & raspberry This Water.

    I was naughty yesterday and I had a Starbucks (my first for AGES, though!) grande skinny caramel macchiato with sugar-free vanilla syrup (and, erm, a skinny peach & raspberry muffin - yes, I know... I MUST kick the Starbuck Addiction!)

    Dinner is still ready meals, but I'm buying M&S kiddie meals now to keep the calorie count down. Yesterday was tuna pasta bake and a Shape 'hunger control' yoghurt (raspberry).

    I usually snack on oatcakes and dried fruit, but I have to stop myself eating a whole packet (8 oatcakes = 280kcals). I am now resisting the cheese & herb ones (I think they're about double the fine milled ones I'm buying now). What do I have on the oatcakes? Usually extra light laughing cow and Marmite (or, if I fancy something sweeter, reduced sugar jam).

    How's that looking...? Any better...? I always have plenty of tins of tuna around (the little WeightWatchers ones).

    Sarah xxx

    I have had the vague promise of a flat, so I'm hoping that comes off - and it's near a Sainsbury's, 'cause ASDA is dire!

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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/06/14 11:52:07 (permalink)
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    Hi Sarah

    A few things which could prove useful to you.

    TVP: easily stored dry source of protein and cheap enough too. Rehydrate with boiling water and a sock cube

    Fruit: snack on this vs dried fruit as its less calorie dense usually and should prolong your enjoyment longer

    Cinnamon and nutmeg: sweet spices which when mixed with a little splenda tend to curb cravings and also provide some variety into a boring diet.

    Veggies: if you struggle for fresh veg then growing something like Alfalfa sprouts in a soilless jar works very well. Its also very cheap too.
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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/06/14 12:03:12 (permalink)
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    Sarah, are the suggestions from James above not suitable?
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    Re:Diet advice under VERY restricted conditions 2009/06/14 12:39:17 (permalink)
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    Good luck sarah with your goals i hope all goes well and take in all the advice you get on MT.
    You have the mods all out helping you on this one.
    Daz

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