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2015/01/12 21:37:43 (permalink)
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Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading"

It's annoying to think that those who can work but don't and have never contributed ANYTHING(lazy people ,druggies....ect) are entitled to the same treatment as someone who earns say £40k and pays shxt loads of tax and works 60 hours a week.
 
So would the system work better if it was means tested and you had the option to upgrade by paying a monthly premium so that those who are not really wealthy and able to afford full private health care can still have a better than basic service on the NHS by paying a little extra IF they choose to?
Also it could give people more incentive to work harder instead of the etiquette of getting something for nothing.
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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/12 21:58:40 (permalink)
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Er, ever heard of BUPA?
 
It's really  not that expensive if you are young and healthy.
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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/12 22:18:12 (permalink)
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The NHS is crap. Anyone I know who can afford it ends up going private because they simply get messed about on the NHS. I wouldn't want the American system either though. How do European countries like France and Germany do it?
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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 06:36:19 (permalink)
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BMH it could give people more incentive to work harder instead of the etiquette of getting something for nothing.

 
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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 07:37:06 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby daKensta 2015/01/13 08:32:03
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The whole idea of the NHS was healthcare for everyone, not just those who can afford it. What about children? They have contributed nothing, the disabled? What about self inflicted injuries, sporting injuries, people suffering mental health problems? Cant praise the NHS enough, personally i would be fked without it.







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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 08:31:04 (permalink)
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I'm sure OP et al don't object to bloody poor people getting medical treatment that their hard earned taxes paid for, they'd just like their own medical treatment to be a bit nicer. Say, they get a comfier bed, and nicer food for example? Or failing that, poorer people get stones put in their beds, and spit in their food?
I'm sure the NHS's policy of treatment for everybody, regardless of financial circumstances, could be changed to make it fairer for people with more money. It's all well and good being caring and compassionate, but money for goodness' sake. Money.
Won't someone please think about the money?

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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 08:48:46 (permalink)
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It's annoying to think that those who can work but don't and have never contributed ANYTHING(lazy people ,druggies....ect) are entitled to the same treatment as someone who earns say £40k and pays shxt loads of tax and works 60 hours a week.
 
So would the system work better if it was means tested and you had the option to upgrade by paying a monthly premium so that those who are not really wealthy and able to afford full private health care can still have a better than basic service on the NHS by paying a little extra IF they choose to?
Also it could give people more incentive to work harder instead of the etiquette of getting something for nothing.




I don't think it would be better, I think the idea that there a millions of lazy lay-abouts everywhere is false and there will never be enough jobs around for 100% of people who are able to work.

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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 08:50:13 (permalink)
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NHS is meant to be for everyone regardless, and I am happy for it to stay that way and think that the government should be doing much more to protect it and fund it.
 
OP - what if someone is in their late 20's and has only been working since leaving uni so 6 or 7 years and becomes critically ill / develops mental health issues and unable to work? They wont be contributing to society anymore and wont have paid much in the way of taxes and they wont be able to get cover from BUPA either so what should they do? Have to have a 'basic' service through no fault of their own?
 
I am very passionate about health care as unfortunately the situation as described above is what I find myself in (although I have returned to work part time again now).

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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 09:10:51 (permalink)
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The NHS would be better if it didn't get stitched up for everything it has to purchase. All prices are inflated because it's a bottomless pit of government cash.

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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 11:59:19 (permalink)
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The NHS would be better if it didn't get stitched up for everything it has to purchase. All prices are inflated because it's a bottomless pit of government cash.


Very true and it is run by managers who also know it's a bottomless pit of cash. Therefore they have very little incentive to drive a harder bargain. I would imagine that brown envelopes under the table to assist managers in their decision making is not an uncommon occurance in the NHS.
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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 12:08:55 (permalink)
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The whole idea of the NHS was healthcare for everyone, not just those who can afford it. What about children? They have contributed nothing, the disabled? What about self inflicted injuries, sporting injuries, people suffering mental health problems? Cant praise the NHS enough, personally i would be fked without it.




Very good post D
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Is it a hell of a lot better than what a lot of other countries have? Yes
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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 12:09:43 (permalink)
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The IT services industry screws them left right and center.  Everybody milks the overtime with no requirement to work overtime, things get signed off by managers who are not qualified to understand what they are agreeing to, etc.  This is not just the NHS.  DVLA get it bad from Fujitsu...

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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 12:49:38 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby Suspirio 2015/01/13 14:22:14
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My wife works in the NHS, she is not a lifer and worked in the 'real world' before entering the NHS.

The NHS is single handedly the worst run company in the UK. There are huge cultural problems, systemic laziness, reluctance to change, no cost management, there are no standard operating procedures in the NHS. Let me repeat that, different care units in the same trust run completely differently, they do not share best practices. If you are pro-NHS you get promoted, if you try to change ANYTHING expect to get **** on.

Most common phrase my wife hears is 'that's not in my pay band' as in a nurse is asked to help an elderly patient put their socks on and that was is the standard reply.

Most workers hate being there but are stuck in gold plated cages as they will never get a job on the same terms anywhere else.

The procurement teams need looking at, I've said it this way so as to not implicate myself in anything.

NHS is commercially inept, they waste unbelievable amounts of money at every single level.

NHS staff love this phrase-clinical need, this basically means you can spend whatever you want no matter your budget.

I can go on but it will make no difference.
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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 12:49:41 (permalink)
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My wife works in the NHS, she is not a lifer and worked in the 'real world' before entering the NHS.

The NHS is single handedly the worst run company in the UK. There are huge cultural problems, systemic laziness, reluctance to change, no cost management, there are no standard operating procedures in the NHS. Let me repeat that, different care units in the same trust run completely differently, they do not share best practices. If you are pro-NHS you get promoted, if you try to change ANYTHING expect to get **** on.

Most common phrase my wife hears is 'that's not in my pay band' as in a nurse is asked to help an elderly patient put their socks on and that was is the standard reply.

Most workers hate being there but are stuck in gold plated cages as they will never get a job on the same terms anywhere else.

The procurement teams need looking at, I've said it this way so as to not implicate myself in anything.

NHS is commercially inept, they waste unbelievable amounts of money at every single level.

NHS staff love this phrase-clinical need, this basically means you can spend whatever you want no matter your budget.

I can go on but it will make no difference.
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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 13:23:44 (permalink)
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No because the UK isn't made up solely of people who don't work and people on 40k plus. The majority of the people on this forum seem to think that for some reason.

The amount of people that don't work due to non medical reasons is small and massively exaggerated by the media. Go and have a look at the stats.

What about the millions of people who struggle to live from day to day life.

There is private health care. If you want it go buy it. The NHS should stay as it is, but with more funding and jobs. It's the best thing about this country.

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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 14:24:28 (permalink)
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My wife works in the NHS, she is not a lifer and worked in the 'real world' before entering the NHS.

The NHS is single handedly the worst run company in the UK. There are huge cultural problems, systemic laziness, reluctance to change, no cost management, there are no standard operating procedures in the NHS. Let me repeat that, different care units in the same trust run completely differently, they do not share best practices. If you are pro-NHS you get promoted, if you try to change ANYTHING expect to get **** on.

Most common phrase my wife hears is 'that's not in my pay band' as in a nurse is asked to help an elderly patient put their socks on and that was is the standard reply.

Most workers hate being there but are stuck in gold plated cages as they will never get a job on the same terms anywhere else.

The procurement teams need looking at, I've said it this way so as to not implicate myself in anything.

NHS is commercially inept, they waste unbelievable amounts of money at every single level.

NHS staff love this phrase-clinical need, this basically means you can spend whatever you want no matter your budget.

I can go on but it will make no difference.



I have never been an NHS employee but I have worked for the NHS as a contractor on a number of occasions. The above sums it up pretty well. It is an appallingly run organisation.
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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 18:15:51 (permalink)
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Let me tell you first hand the NHS is blooming amazing. Living abroad for 5 years now in various countries you don't realise how good it is till its taken away from. Yes it sucks at times as you see people  who contribute nothing to the system getting the benefits and also waiting lists but if you start having to pay for it properly like US, CHF and France etc then FCK ME you will have a heart attack over the cost of things. 
 
The NHS works/doesnt work because of its size on one hand because they control the drugs doctors etc they can basically fix the costs on a near national scale compared to say US or CHF were each "doctor" is a private organisation and is profit centred so can choose what to charge its really not uncommon for people to shop around for healthcare which is odd. 
 
On the flip side as with most large organisations it appears to be run by fcking numpties who don't seem to know what day of the week it is. This part looking after infrastructure and arranging the finances etc I would like to see a private contractor take control for a fixed year fee and sort it out. Simple things like sending out letters 3 times for an appointment or making an appoint for the day before you are supposed to go then not telling you etc etc. 
 
Anyways mini sermon over. Bupa is good if you can afford it.

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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 18:38:24 (permalink)
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The whole idea of the NHS was healthcare for everyone, not just those who can afford it. What about children? They have contributed nothing, the disabled? What about self inflicted injuries, sporting injuries, people suffering mental health problems? Cant praise the NHS enough, personally i would be fked without it.




Very good post D
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Is it a hell of a lot better than what a lot of other countries have? Yes




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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 22:40:35 (permalink)
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Go to the US and leave hospital and bankrupt pockets or suffer and don't get treated.
 
Before complaining in any form, see what its like in many other countries before being a Russle Brand and pointing out problems.
 
Its not perfect, that's mostly down to a huge longer living population and so many people able to live on with problems and diseases that need continual treatments.
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Re: Do you think the NHS would work better if you had the option of "upgrading" 2015/01/13 22:53:44 (permalink)
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Go to the US and leave hospital and bankrupt pockets or suffer and don't get treated.
 
Before complaining in any form, see what its like in many other countries before being a Russle Brand and pointing out problems.
 
 



Yeah, the NHS and it's care for all policy is exactly the kind of thing Russell Brand hates.
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