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2018/08/29 07:13:01 (permalink)
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Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know that many people recommend blood work to be done pre , on and post cycle , but let's be rational here ...
The lipid levels ,hormonal and any other aspect of your blood levels would always be f*cked up ,so what's the purpose ? knowing the numbers won't change a thing ..and I read that some guy had low HDL on cycle , used everything to raise his HDL levels , but nothing changed..
Oh and also lipid profile is not an answer to whether you have cardiovascular probs or not .The only reason why one might do the blood work , is to do it before doing any steroids cycle, which would allow him to know if he is naturally fit to use steroids or not , since people naturally with high or low lipid levels would be in serious risk.But if you do the blood work and find out you are normal , then that's the cue to start roids and (in my opinion) no other blood work should be done later on..what difference would it make ?!Any help would be appreciated
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    thegrimreaper
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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/29 07:50:46 (permalink)
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    Yes let's be rational here.... doing blood work prior to taking steroids IS absolutely a sensible thing to do. Lipids doesn't really come into it all that much in my opinion.

    What people should be more concerned about is getting a full hormone panel before taking steroids as to ascertain natural levels of serum testosterone, LH, FSH, prolactin, E2 and SHBG E2 simply for the purpose of using these numbers as a gauge for recovery.

    Also who has ever said that lipids alone is a diagnosis of cardiovascular disease?
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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/29 08:03:26 (permalink)
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    Wait so the only most important thing to do is only a full hormonal panel right ? and this would be pre-cycle
    what about on and post ? would it be that important really ?! and what do you mean use the numbers as a gauge to recovery ? recovery should take place post cycle in the same pace whether you have numbers as a gauge or not.
    Knowing the numbers wouldn't make the recovery accelerated, you would just use the sale doses of PCT.
    also even if it is important to get blood work on and post cycle , it would be only important for the very first cycle. As normally the levels should be (in the following cycles) as f*cked up as they were in the first cycle.
    What about liver , kidney ,electrolytes,minerals,glucose..would you say they're not that important ? What about that Thyroid test ?
    post edited by Sartre - 2018/08/29 08:16:47
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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/29 20:27:28 (permalink)
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    It's all relative and how much money you have and also how much you care about your health (most don't care it seems).

    I didn't say it accelerated recovery I said it's a gauge of recovery so you can see if your levels come back to what they were pre steroids (some people never fully recover)

    You should be getting general blood tests periodically anyway so you'll know things like lipid profiles, kidney function and full blood counts as this is something GPs routinely check anyway.

    The only thing I'd be interested in while on is my testosterone level if I was using testosterone but just to check it's real. Everything else is almost a given to be out of wack
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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/30 00:08:12 (permalink)
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    You keep saying that the purpose is the recovery gauge , but what difference would it make ? what if the levels did not go back to normal levels ? there is nothing to be done about it , you would simply rest for a while and then jump on another cycle anyway ..I don't see the usefulness of doing all these blood work and all the money spent in comparison for what one would obtain  out of them...its like nothing , just numbers to let you know your levels aren't okay , and then you'll nod your head in disappointment but still would carry on another cycle...am I wrong ?!
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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/30 00:23:21 (permalink)
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    You're failing to comprehend English.

    What do you want to hear? " it's ok disregard your health, don't bother with any blood testing, you will be fine"

    Ok here it goes... it's ok disregard your health, don't bother with any blood testing, you will be fine.

    In fact why do we ever have any blood testing, as it makes no difference to our health right? Might as well not bother for our whole lives. Why even see a dr when you have an issue too there is no point and doesn't change the facts....hmmmm
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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/30 02:58:30 (permalink)
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    Hi mate not sure it was you, but I laid out my rationale for blood tests in the other thread in the test forum.

    In short all these pills aren’t skittles. They do mess with your system. Every time you take them you are running the risk of making your system not work so well, sometimes permanently.

    It seems obvious to me that you would want to get a snapshot of your system before you messed with it.

    If it all goes to hell at least you will know what levels are wrong for you and by how much. Then you can work on getting back to normal.

    And yes I am well aware that lipids don’t carry the same weight as was originally thought, however ‘normal’ ranges are there for a reason and i don’t think it’s good practice for them to be too far out of the norm.

    I would recommend getting a full test done just the once before you start. Even if you don’t keep testing throughout cycles (which I recommend) you might need to refer to it for other health reasons down the track.

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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/30 09:51:37 (permalink)
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    @Thegrimreaper:No ,you failed to understand me ! I don't want to hear what I desire to hear,I want to hear the truth..
    I'm not asking you to say whether testing is important or not , I'm asking to justify how is it important and how could using it a gauge could be beneficial..meaning to elaborate on how it's beneficial.
    What I'm not sure of , is you saying that it can be used as a gauge and then get the levels back to normal when both of us know that usually they probably would not get back to normal (only closer) but even if they are to go back to normal levels...is that something we can do ? is it something induced by medication ? meaning if you have high blood pressure you can fix it ? or if you have exremely roller coasting lipid levels , can it be fixed ?! this is my question...can it be fixd through medical intervention ? and using it as a gauge like you said..
    if it can..then it makes sense to keep on testing , if not then this is where you fail to make sense brother..I am not here to negotiate facts ..I'm here to discuss a serious health matter and discuss it RATIONALLY! taking into account money and health and even time ! I mean what's the purpose of spending loads of money just to see numbers and you can't do anything about it ? if there is something that can be done about it , then please enlighten us your highness..
    @Brett: I know they are not skittles but what are you saying ? I mean anyone roiding clearly realizes that he's slowly hindering his health + the fact that he's putting  PCT medicine which is chemicals..which further worsens his health..I absolutely agree about doing the pre-very first cycle tests...on and post..(of the very first cycle) HOWEVER ! continuously every testing along every single cycle..seems to me a waste of money to be honest..this is again the problem ! you go to the doc and he tells you your levels are f*cked , now what? what can be done about it ? Brett..is there actually something that we can do medically about it ? other than the only thing I know could be beneficial which is donating blood to lower red blood cells count...
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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/30 11:12:51 (permalink)
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    I get what you are saying. All it really boils down to is this: it’s easier to prevent a problem then to try and fix it later.

    Long term and repeated cycles without proper recovery could put your system back each round. You could end up with a scenario that your system becomes damaged and can’t get back to normal by itself. Then the medical intervention takes place.

    People take bloods (or rather they should) as they go along to see that they have recovered adequately before the next cycle. Another reason as mentioned above is to see if the testosterone they are using is legit.

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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/30 11:52:25 (permalink)
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    I definitely see the point that blood tests are more of a piece of mind thing than anything and 99% of times makes no practical difference whether you get them or not.
     
    Most people do them wrong/at the wrong time anyway and don't know how to interpret the results. If you get one mid cycle and your lipids are all over the place, if you're on orals and liver enzymes are high, are you going to stop? Only if you don't know what you're doing because those things are to be expected on cycle, the only thing testing does is how you exactly how bad it got, which is mostly just academic because you'll do it anyway.
     
    I can see the point in getting a baseline test to use as a gauge for recovery later on, see if all figures go back to what they were pre-cycle once you're done with PCT. But then again, if they haven't, what are you going to do about it? Never use steroids again? Unlikely. This would also require you to take much more time off than most people care to and a test taken a week after finishing PCT is utterly useless, you'd have to wait for all the drugs to clear your system which may take 1-2 months, so you're looking at full PCT time + 2 months to allow time for a valid test before you even think about using gear again. Most haven't finished PCT and they're already thinking about their next cycle! And anyways even if say your test levels two months after PCT are lower than they were pre-cycle, but you feel fine, everything works as it should and you're not losing your gains, why would you care about a number on a piece of paper?
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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/30 13:41:30 (permalink)
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    At the very least you can make an informed decision, rather than going just by ‘feel’ like so many do.

    We’ve seen countless threads by people that have just smashed their systems into the ground. Don’t be one of them.

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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/30 18:36:27 (permalink)
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    @Brett: so simply py bloods are done to let you know when you're okay to do your next cycle))
    now you make sense and your answer is satisfying ! not because I like it , but because it's logical and rational.
    by the way since you brought up the testosterone legitimacy test..
    1-is it possible to give the test vial to the laboratory to test it ? or does it need to be in your blood to be tested ?
    2-when they draw blood , can they tell what dosage of test is in blood ? in other words can I know how badly under-dosed the vial is so that I make up for it in the next injection ?
    3-what other steroids can I test in the laboratory ? what about deca or tren ? they're extremely skeptical where I'm from , if there is any other way to know if they are legit or not I would greatly appreciate it , oh and don't suggest any type of testing kit as we don't have them and cannot buy them , not even online, the only source we have is the regular blood testing laboratory..so..? what could be the worst case scenario from taking a fake tren..?
    4-I feel kind of lost tbh , we have under-dosed Test vials , and one of the most important questions probably many try to figure the answer to is what should I do when I have an underdosed vial , let's say I'm aiming at 500mg T/week , if the bottle says Test 200 , to stay avoid under-dosing , shoud I pull in 1000mg of test ?! what if I do that and end up having 700mg which is still a lot for a beginner ! please help a brother out..I want roids+reason not recklesness
    5-What about the AI's or SERMs ? can a-dex for instance be tested ? any possible way ? if no and in case I got a fake a-dex , is the worst case scenario that could happen to me ?
    @Uriel: YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ma maan ! that's exactly what I meant ! thank you bud! there are two things however that I would like you to elaborate on..
    1-when you said many people do on-cycle tests...and they won't stop anyway, are you implying that it's quite useless to do an on-cycle blood work ?
    2-when you said one must wait 1-2 months , you mean this is the actual post-cycle test ? not a bit earlier ? I mean I read a lot about people doing bloods 2 weeks out of the cycle
    3-When I wait 1-2 months later (post-cycle)  before doing the blod work , does this time length go the same for any substance ? short or long esters ? and all compounds ? test or deca ? thx mate
    @Uriel+Brett: would any of you guys recomment to end a cycle cold turkey on the Testosterone or rather taper out gradually ?
    post edited by Sartre - 2018/08/30 19:17:25
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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/31 01:42:28 (permalink)
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    Hi mate as for testing test I’ve never used test and I don’t think labs that do samples are very common. Test forum is best place to ask that.

    And yes one of the main reasons I’ve not done test personally is I’m not confident I can find legit pharma grade.

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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/31 08:39:26 (permalink)
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    @Brett you didn't answer the rest of the questions :((((  also since you don't use testosterone , are you saying you would run deca by itself ?!
    post edited by Sartre - 2018/08/31 08:54:02
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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/08/31 12:02:09 (permalink)
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    Hi mate -i didn’t answer the other questions as I don’t know those answers. I’ve had little to do with testing substances or using test or deca for that matter. That’s why I suggested the test forum for that.

    So far I’ve only used SD, halo (turanibol) and osta, and have done bloods for each.

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    Re: Don't get the blood work ?!!!!!!!!!!!! 2018/09/01 18:27:22 (permalink)
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    Why to get Blood work by the Evil Genius


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