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2014/10/07 14:03:00 (permalink)

Dostinex/Caberoline alternative?

Following my M dien cycle my libido seems to be down. Everting is functioning but the mental desire just isn't there. Research has suggested high prolactin levels following the cycle and I've read dostinex would be a good fix. I any seem to get my hands on any for love nor money so can someone suggest an alternative? Also whether or not my theory is correct.

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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/07 16:02:10 (permalink)
Problems with elevated Prolactin can be eleviated with L-Dopa (Macuna Pruriens)
For me Prolactin reduces Libido and removes vitually all sensation from orgasm.
 
I have found a combination of L-dopa and Vitamin B6 (P5P)  works well.
L-Dopa (99 % purity) 100mg to 250 mg taken in morning on an empty stomach.
With Vitamin B6 (p5p) 100 mg to 250 mg
 
The B6 acts as a co-enzyme in the conversion of L-Dopa to Dopamine.
 
Start taking them daily then you can cut down to EOD or less frequently.
 
You may experience some nausea,  reducing the B6 dose can help, or try dosing on alternate days.
 
Both can be found from reliable suppliers in powder form cheaply.
 
Please Note: taking high doses of B6 (P5P) for prolonged periods of time can be detrimental to your nervous system. 
RDA for B6 (P5P) is around the 2 mg mark.
 
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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/07 20:13:12 (permalink)
Nice one bud. Really appreciate the detailed answer. Why would the l-dopa be taken on an empty stomach? How long should the B6 be taken for to avoid nervous system damage? What would you say is the required term for taking these together and how would I measure 100mg?

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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/07 20:50:46 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2014/10/08 11:54:03
Have you gotten your prolactin checked out? I bet it's perfectly within range and you don't need anything at all. People take caber a prami when there's no need, then the few times someone gets bloods done you see their prolactin actually below normal range.
 
If you didn't have a prolactin problem during the cycle what makes you think you have it now, when the mdien is all gone from your system? If mdien even raised prolactin that much (which I seriously doubt) by now it'd be going down back to normal on it's own.
 
Most likely it's a testosterone/estrogen issue, which almost always is during/after PCT. I'd just use some nolva.
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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/07 22:01:09 (permalink)
During the cycle I did develop a small lump behind my left nipple and experienced really sensitive nipples. You think just starting up nolva again will address the issue?

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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/07 22:49:07 (permalink)
Yeah. Just run a low dose for a few weeks.
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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/07 23:49:48 (permalink)
What was your pct?
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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/08 10:27:33 (permalink)
PCT was 20/20/10/10.

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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/08 11:56:16 (permalink)
the ''bro'' pct, again seems to have failed, again looking for other answers.
not disrespecting you buddy, but i hate this idea that 4 weeks nolva tapered is fine for any and all individuals and cycles.
 
 
on a side note, should the l dopa and b6 not be taken far apart, b6 also speeds its elimination time or am i remembering that wrong?
 
go with uriels advice btw
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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/08 12:37:10 (permalink)
No worries.  I'm all about the learning.  So how would you suggest running PCT for future cycles?
 

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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/08 12:43:07 (permalink)
run longer, and adjust from there.
40mg for a couple of days, then 20mg for a few weeks. i run 6 weeks the see how i feel and adjust
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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/08 12:43:08 (permalink)
run longer, and adjust from there.
40mg for a couple of days, then 20mg for a few weeks. i run 6 weeks the see how i feel and adjust
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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/08 21:26:39 (permalink)
How is L-DOPA gonna help the situation? L-DOPA is the precursor to Dopamine, the neurotransmitter. And L-Tyrosine is the amino acid precursor to L-DOPA (a cheaper way to supplement for increased dopamine concentrations).
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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/10 16:29:25 (permalink)
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Nice one bud. Really appreciate the detailed answer. Why would the l-dopa be taken on an empty stomach? How long should the B6 be taken for to avoid nervous system damage? What would you say is the required term for taking these together and how would I measure 100mg?



Taking it on an empty stomach will aid absorbtion, you could take it with a meal, I usually take it first thing in morning with my other pills and stuff.
The nervous damage issue is only with prolonged use I just added the advice for my own concious.
I have noticed improvements within a week of using these and plan to only run them for 4 weeks then have a break then cycle back on again.
I just roughly measure it out: I weigh out a gram to see how powder that is. Then just scoop approx a tenth of that amount out each time using a lollipop stick. Same with the B6 powder. 

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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/10 16:38:31 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2014/10/10 16:51:09
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the ''bro'' pct, again seems to have failed, again looking for other answers.
not disrespecting you buddy, but i hate this idea that 4 weeks nolva tapered is fine for any and all individuals and cycles.
 
 
on a side note, should the l dopa and b6 not be taken far apart, b6 also speeds its elimination time or am i remembering that wrong?
 
go with uriels advice btw




If you experience nausea this can be reduced by taking the B6 at another time from the L-Dopa. The nausea is caused by L-dopa converting into Dopamine within body tissue rather than within the brain. Although B6 helps with the conversion of L-dopa within the brain it also can increase conversion within body tissue.
Our guts have a lot of Dopamine receptors and these are agravated by the elevated dopamine.
Reducing doses and taking the B6 at other times can eleviate these symptoms.

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Re: Dostinex/Caberoline alternative? 2014/10/10 16:40:34 (permalink)
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How is L-DOPA gonna help the situation? L-DOPA is the precursor to Dopamine, the neurotransmitter. And L-Tyrosine is the amino acid precursor to L-DOPA (a cheaper way to supplement for increased dopamine concentrations).


Interesting what is the conversion rate for L-tyrosine to L-Dopa .ie. how much would one need to take to elevate Dopamine levels in the brain?

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