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Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste?

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2005/07/20 23:05:57 (permalink)

Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste?

Is this true?:

"The faster the protein you eat becomes digested and absorbed (as amino acids) into your bloodstream, the greater the likelihood that its amino acids will be wasted. That is, more amino acids will tend to be "burned", or oxidized, for fuel. Thus it may not be advisable to consume a protein supplement that is all whey unless it is combined with other foods to slow digestion / absorption."

Milk bloats me, so should I always drink whey with a meal, or maybe something like 1 or 2 scoops whey + half scoop MRP for eg?


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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/21 00:11:14 (permalink)
    Where did you get that statement? To some extent, there is some truth in that, but the purpose of whey in water over in milk is that it supplies a fast source of aminos when that is needed. That is the point - timing is everything. Hence whey in water on waking (time of stress as no protein for 8hrs or so, and body in a catabolic state), and whey in water PWO (again, time of stress where muscles need repair and growth which requires protein...etc).

    Timing is the key. These times (on waking, PWO), it is not only fine to have whey in water, but preferred. Whey in milk prior to bed for a slower release of aminos, and these are the only real times I would recommend using whey shakes - at most - the rest should be quality, whole foods.

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    ORIGINAL: Skrewdriver

    Is this true?:

    "The faster the protein you eat becomes digested and absorbed (as amino acids) into your bloodstream, the greater the likelihood that its amino acids will be wasted. That is, more amino acids will tend to be "burned", or oxidized, for fuel. Thus it may not be advisable to consume a protein supplement that is all whey unless it is combined with other foods to slow digestion / absorption."

    Milk bloats me, so should I always drink whey with a meal, or maybe something like 1 or 2 scoops whey + half scoop MRP for eg?




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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/21 00:33:31 (permalink)
    I don't think anyone can say for sure either way simply because they'd be guessing. Personally I don't bother and wouldn't have the time anyway as I have to be up so early.
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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/21 10:45:13 (permalink)
    MCL,

    here: - Article Link

    I understand what you're saying - it makes perfect sense. However, getting 250 - 300g of protein down my neck from foods alone is quite difficult, not just the consumation, but the preparation.

    MCL - what is your view of James suggested diet here: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/losing-fat.asp ? The first plan relies reasonably heavily on whey in water...?

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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/22 11:07:00 (permalink)
    A quick question I have ordered WHEY protein and will be taking with water, I am asking when should I take it I have just read from yoursleves first thing when I wake up and after my workout would this be suffice? and also how mcuh protein powder and how much water should I use per shake?
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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/22 11:29:12 (permalink)
    Skrewdriver,

    I actually highly recommend James' diet. My point is that whey with water is especially key for the two times - on waking and PWO. If you are really struggling to get your protein from other sources as well, you can certainly have whey in water with meals etc. Personally however, I prefer to get whole foods mostly over whey, but if you are really struggling to do that, I don't see a huge problem with what you are suggesting.

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    MCL,

    here: - Article Link

    I understand what you're saying - it makes perfect sense. However, getting 250 - 300g of protein down my neck from foods alone is quite difficult, not just the consumation, but the preparation.

    MCL - what is your view of James suggested diet here: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/losing-fat.asp ? The first plan relies reasonably heavily on whey in water...?


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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/22 11:31:35 (permalink)
    On waking and PWO are good times to have whey in water mate, and if you can get the protein you need for the rest of the day from whole food sources then do so.

    Its up to you how much whey you take - has to fit in with your diet and protein requirements. In water, I usually have 1.5-2 scoops of whey, and about 250-300ml water, both for protein and taste (too much water is bad on the taste front for me), and I prefer the water to be ice cold.

    mcl

    ORIGINAL: graemewh

    A quick question I have ordered WHEY protein and will be taking with water, I am asking when should I take it I have just read from yoursleves first thing when I wake up and after my workout would this be suffice? and also how mcuh protein powder and how much water should I use per shake?

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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/22 17:41:34 (permalink)
    I'll heed your advice where possible mcl. If I find myself having to settle for whey in replaement for a meal at other times than the morning or PWO, I'll mix in some mrp, milk, or chew a couple of oatcakes along side...

    having a whey after a meal might take up the protein intake to 50/60g - surely that's too much for one 'sitting'... (ie - the body can't make use of it all)...

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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/23 01:16:08 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Skrewdriver

    having a whey after a meal might take up the protein intake to 50/60g - surely that's too much for one 'sitting'... (ie - the body can't make use of it all)...

    Says who?


     
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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/24 15:35:16 (permalink)
    So the whey that I drink that's not PWO or first thing in the morning SHOULD be drank with milk?
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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/24 15:43:15 (permalink)
    no
    not essentially, for those with lactose intorelance or no fridge at work etc, whey in water, accompanied with other fats and or carbs is perfectly fine
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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/24 19:36:00 (permalink)
    The whole reoson of whey is a fast protein into the body and with adding milk your slowing down the process. I use whey post work out where its needed the most. Mix it with milk at nite for slower relase while sleeping
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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/25 10:29:16 (permalink)
    It's something that i've read once upon a time - god knows when...

    ...please enlighten me.. - how much is advisable to consume in one sitting?






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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/25 12:16:29 (permalink)
    no specific amount, every nody has dfifferent requirements and there is no one magic figure
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    RE: Drinking whey in water on it's own a waste? 2005/07/25 13:30:21 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: groovemeister

    So the whey that I drink that's not PWO or first thing in the morning SHOULD be drank with milk?


    ORIGINAL: ToxicToffee

    no
    not essentially, for those with lactose intorelance or no fridge at work etc, whey in water, accompanied with other fats and or carbs is perfectly fine


    But if not lactose intolerant, etc. it's a good idea, or indeed necessary to have milk or a substitute as opposed to water? As it's due to the fat requirement, is semi-skimmed OK, or should I be investing in some full-fat?
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