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2019/02/10 20:25:30 (permalink)
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Dry fasting

Been reading up a bit on dry fasting.

What are people thoughts on here about? Compared to normal fasting and normal diets. 
Both from health perspective and weight loss strategy? 
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    stinking_dylan
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    Re: Dry fasting 2019/02/11 08:28:46 (permalink)
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    I've not read anything regarding dry fasting. I know it's practiced, for various reasons which have nothing to do with health (as far as I'm aware).
     
    Consuming water alone does not affect the hormonal changes occurring during fasting, what are the benefits with dry fasting?

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    Re: Dry fasting 2019/02/11 09:09:48 (permalink)
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    Dry fasting is intense but effective. 1 day of dry fasting = 3 days of water fasting
    Most of the research on dry fasting was done by a Russian doctor named Filanov.  Lots of good info online
     
    You get 2 types..
    Soft dry fast – you can shower, brush your teeth etc you just don’t drink water (water can be taken up by the skin) and a Hard dry fast where you stay away from all sources of water. Hard dry fasting eliminates toxins much much faster.
     
    When you fast your body has to use everything from your cells provide energy and when you dry fast, it needs to produce water as well.
     
    When you get dehydrated your body goes into stress mode and releases much more epinephrine, norepinephrine, adrenaline etc  as it trys to find more water. Any cell in your body that is useless will not only be broken down for food but will be split to produce water. This is autophagy or the recycling of cells at a super level and happens so much faster due to the increased stress and metabolic needs of the body. Only the strongest of cells survive.
    The body can  and does create its own water under metabolic stress. Water is only hydrogen and oxygen and the saturated fat on your body is mostly made up of hydrogen. When it needs water, the fat is broken down, hydrogen is released , you breathe oxygen and water is produced. Perfectly synthetized, pure water. As your water need increases so does your need to burn stored body fat.
     
    Its really not good to be in a chronically dehydrated state but short term dry fasting is safe and does have health and fat loss benefits.
     
    Most ive done is 14 hours tho as it is not fun at all!
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    Re: Dry fasting 2019/02/11 20:21:47 (permalink)
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    ANIMAL
     
     
    Its really not good to be in a chronically dehydrated state but short term dry fasting is safe and does have health and fat loss benefits.
     
    Most ive done is 14 hours tho as it is not fun at all!




    I got to 24 hours last week. 
    The only issue I got was worrying about my breath smelling.
    Though keep myself busy at work and avoided salty foods before starting so not feeling thirsty. 
     
    I did not find it to different to a normal 24 hour fast.
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    Re: Dry fasting 2019/02/11 21:25:08 (permalink)
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    I've not read anything regarding dry fasting. I know it's practiced, for various reasons which have nothing to do with health (as far as I'm aware).
     
    Consuming water alone does not affect the hormonal changes occurring during fasting, what are the benefits with dry fasting?


    I think I have seen the same info as Animal has from reading his reply.
    Seen a few you tube vidoes on it as well while on the exercise bike in the gym.
     
    Even though I did a 24 hour dry fast. I think I will drink before training on it at the end of my 24 hour fasts. 
     
     
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    Re: Dry fasting 2019/02/11 21:49:54 (permalink)
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    "eliminate toxins"

    Kinda tired of hearing this

    What "toxins" does dehydration clear?
    Please provide some form of peer reviewed evidence of this.

    Also, what toxins are you ingesting that you're worried about?
    Perhaps avoiding the "toxins" would be the best path.
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    Re: Dry fasting 2019/02/11 21:52:26 (permalink)
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    Re: Dry fasting 2019/02/11 21:52:26 (permalink)
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    Re: Dry fasting 2019/02/12 14:06:03 (permalink)
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    Good Morning Simon. Forget to take your anti cranky pills again? .. I jest.. I do always admire your posts when you call out bullish!t. You’re one of the very few on here that do. Carry on.

    simonboyle

    What "toxins" does dehydration clear?
    Please provide some form of peer reviewed evidence of this.

    Also, what toxins are you ingesting that you're worried about?
    Perhaps avoiding the "toxins" would be the best path.



    I did not say dehydration released toxins. I said hard dry fasting eliminates toxins faster. The toxins from the fasting part, the faster from the dry part.

    Plenty of research about the benefits of fasting and time restricted eating.. Heck the discovery of the mechanism of autophagy and cellular degrading and recycling won the Nobel Prize a few years ago.

    With regards to toxins. Anything that damages the body is a toxin. Your quip about avoiding toxins makes no sense. Everything is a toxin. Food, air, water.

    This adage somes up the basic principle of toxicology.

    “Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy.” - Parcelus

    But back on topic, we’re talking about toxins being eliminated through fasting.

    I was speaking broadly but as you want specifics I did a cursory google for an example.

    Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCB’s).

    “Research by exercise scientist Paul Arciero has found that a balanced, protein-pacing, low-calorie diet that includes intermittent fasting not only achieves long-term weight loss, but also helps release toxins in the form of PCBs from the body fat stores, in addition to enhancing heart health and reducing oxidative stress”

    No I’m no expert on any of this, I just read what I can, and experiment on myself so I trust if what I have read has no merit you’d kindly say.

    “His findings on toxins can help allay concerns that weight loss -- which releases toxins into the blood -- could have a negative effect on dieters' health.

    Environmental pollutants and other toxins are stored in fatty tissue. During weight loss, fat breaks down and toxins are discharged into the bloodstream. Scientists have expressed concern that the released toxins could increase dieters' oxidative stress and their risk of developing serious conditions, including hormone (endocrine) disruption (reproductive and fertility problems), heart disease, cancer, Alzheimer's disease and Parkinson's disease.”

    https://www.sciencedaily....17/01/170111184102.htm


    Anyway. I enjoy fasting. I feel better for it and it’s helped me massively with my personal food battles and overall health. But I don’t like dry fasting.. it sucks balls but I’ve read it does have benefits which is why I tried it.

    As i said in my original post, chronic dehydration is not good. But short term dry fasting is not bad. Do you wake up every half an hour for a sip of water while you sleep? Everyone goes with out water for a period of time. Everyone fasts for a period of time. It’s completely normal.
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    Re: Dry fasting 2019/02/12 20:09:47 (permalink)
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    "eliminate toxins"

    Kinda tired of hearing this

    What "toxins" does dehydration clear?
    Please provide some form of peer reviewed evidence of this.

    Also, what toxins are you ingesting that you're worried about?
    Perhaps avoiding the "toxins" would be the best path.



    Ingesting?
    The body is more than capable of producing its own.
     
    For the rest please see Animal reply. 
     
     
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    Re: Dry fasting 2019/02/12 20:47:43 (permalink)
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    Still a lot of nonsense IMHO, the link you've posted isn't what you think it is. It's related to fat cells releasing whatever they may contain in to the body and the elimination processes that follows.
    Fasting, water fasting or any other type of diet of eating protocol do not impact this, it's purely related to what is released in to the blood stream and how it is eliminated.

    Still don't see anything relating to "dry fasting".

    And autophagy?
    And?

    How does that relate to dehydration? In the terms you're talking about it.

    So do you have anything that supports dehydration as a health benefit in any way.
    Linking things through how they perhaps increase one thing to then try and support something else is not a valid postcode.
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    Re: Dry fasting 2019/02/12 20:47:55 (permalink)
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