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ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin)

Addition to post 2/12/2009

New article now added:
Ephedrine & Ephedra, and the Associated Alkaloids and Compounds which includes information on ECA and herbal preparations.  It's a very detailed article:

 
Ephedrine & Ephedra
 

 


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ECA = Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin stack

Standard dosage would be:

Ephedrine 20-30mgs
Caffeine 200mg (equivalent to approx 2.5 cups of coffee)
Aspirin 75mg

the theoretical ratio is E:C:A=1:10:3

Ephedrine and Caffeine have been shown to work synergistically; that is, the total is greater than the sum of the parts ie. 1+1=3
They work TOGETHER to promote weight-loss, boost energy and enhance athletic performance. It's debatable as to the importance of aspirin in the grand scheme. It is included in the hope that it acts as a prostaglandin inhibitor and an enhancer of lipolytic activity. I believe it not to be an essential ingredient; indeed, many people are intolerant to Aspirin. Another thing worth noting is that ECA has some anti-catabolic properties, which means that we can retain some muscle even while cutting.

To give you an idea, eph is a central nervous system stimulant and, therefore, works in a similar way as Clenbuterol. However, eph increases your metabolism by about 3% whereas clen increases your metabolism by 5-10%. Although it may appear that eph is second rate when compared to Clen, it more than makes up for it when you consider the strong appetite suppressive qualities, something which is very important when exposed to calorie restriction.

It is recommended that users start their ECA stack by using just one dosing (as per above dosages) per day, either first thing in the morning 30minutes before breakfast, or 30minutes prior to their workout/cardio. Many find that this will provide them with plenty of stimulation and will negate the necessity to increase the frequency of dosages for maybe a week or more. In time, the user becomes more tolerant of the effects and will look to progress to 2 dosings per day. It is considered that 3 dosings per day is the maximum that a user should consume, with the last dose taken prior to 6pm to avoid sleep problems. Cycle length would normally be limited to 12 weeks, so the prospective user must give consideration to how long they will need to reach their goals. Should this exceed 12 weeks, then the ECA should be introduced later into the cutting regime, not immediately at the outset. I would then advise taking at least 12 weeks abstinence from ECA use to limit over-dependance problems.

As a first timer, you will experience a wired feeling, perhaps to the extent of being a bit "jumpy". This is normal, and gradually subsides. Heart rate will increase with many users conciously aware of this occurrence. Also, you will probably notice an increase in gym performance, especially during aerobic activity (cardio). It's worth pointing out that anyone with heart problems or high blood pressure should NOT use ephedrine or similar products.

In addition to pharmaceutical Ephedrine hydrochloride (hcl), there is also Mother Nature that we can turn to for essentially the same ECA stack:


HERBAL VERSIONS

The herbal form of ephedrine is Ma Huang. The plant is standardised to varying degrees so the user must calculate exactly how much eph is contained in the preparation. For example, MaHuang 335mg (6% ephedrine) is the equivalent of 20mg pure ephedrine. As such, one version isn’t "stronger than the other" as long as the quantities are respected. The only snag with herbal versions is that we don’t know what the other 90% of the herb is doing to out body!

Guarana Extract (22% caffeine) therefore 910mg of guarana is equivalent of 200mg caffeine.
Kola nut contains 20% caffeine

Lastly, White Willow Bark (15% salicin) is the equivalent of Aspirin.

You can buy either eph hcl or a ready made herbal stack from www.astronutrition.com . My personal favourite available at present would be something like 'Grenade' available from Muscle Finesse. Strong, sound product, albiet slightly 'tut' worthy packaging!

Alternatively, visit Boots and ask for "Do Do Chesteze". Chesteze helps when you have a tight chest so u can tell the vendor that your chest isn’t too good. One chesteze contins 18.3mg ephedrine. it also contains theophylline. Some people react to theophylline so if you are using chesteze, always start at a low dose for the first 3 days to see how you will react.

Caffeine can be bought from various online retailers ( www.myprotein.co.uk www.monstersupplements.com etc) or can be bought from chemists or your local supermarket in the form of ProPlus, though these work out more expensive than the online options. (each proplus pill contains 50mg caffeine)


Possible Side Effects

Anxiety, shaking, increased sweating, lightheadedness, dizziness, light headache, gastrointestinal distress, insomnia, irregular heartbeat, increased heart rate, heart palpitations, inreased blood pressure, stroke, seizures, psychosis etc..people who are easily depressed should be on a watch out because the eph will increase their depression. Increased sweating/heat production means you need to drink more water. Moreover, ephedrine can be addictive if taken for more than 6 months.
post edited by James - 2009/12/02 17:11:23

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    caiza
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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/09/14 23:25:55 (permalink)
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    some great info there partyboy
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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/09/19 11:56:22 (permalink)
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    Have got some ECA Stack capsules with the following components per capsule

    Mu Huang 500mg
    Guarana 200mg
    Willow bark 20mg
    Chromium Picolinate 67mg

    They suggest a max of 3 per day but looking at some of the posts, this might seem excessive or am I just being paranoid. I am looking to cut body fat and work out 4 times a week on mixture of weights and cardio.
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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/09/19 12:35:07 (permalink)
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    Welcome to the board!

    Before commenting, we need to know what the standardisation % are for the ingredients. This info should be listed on the bottle.

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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/09/19 13:07:48 (permalink)
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    Mu Huang standardized for 6% alkaloids

    Guarana standardized for 22% caffeine
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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/09/19 14:14:49 (permalink)
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    o.k. so that effectively makes each tab 30mg eph and 44mg caffeine. The eph dosage is pretty standard though the caffeine seems low. It might be worth adding a couple of Pro-Plus tabs with each ECA tab you take.

    You can take 3 tabs ECA daily depending on tolerance.

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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/10/13 22:43:26 (permalink)
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    Can eph or even large doses of caffiene make you moody?

    I find when I've taken 3 doses of eph/caffiene totalling 75mg/600mg i can get a range of feelings from anxiety attacks, light headedness and miserable grumpy old man syndrome!

    I'm wondering wether I should cut back to 1-2 doses a day and hope it goes away?

    I only have about 15 doses or so left anyway and then im off it.
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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/10/14 17:41:27 (permalink)
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    Can't say I've ever experienced 'moodyness' when using ECA. Anxiety, wired feelings, jumpy, are all sides of ECA.

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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/10/14 19:30:47 (permalink)
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    It's hard to explain... but ive only had one dose today and I dont have any sides like that so im gonna stick with 1-2 doses a day max.

    Cheers
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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/10/14 19:59:53 (permalink)
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    Yes it can-especially with prolonged high use!!!

    After my two weeks at 100mg daily im normally a really bad person to be around!!!
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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/10/14 20:07:03 (permalink)
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    i think ive taken 100mg, but usually keep to 75mg... but im gonna stick to 25-50mg, the sides just arent worth it, i'll just have to do more cardio....... pah
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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/10/18 15:55:52 (permalink)
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    How many chestEze can you take in one go.

    I used to take 50mg of ephedrine (2 tabs) of my old eca stack.

    Can i take 3 ChestEze in one go or would it be a stupid idea becasue of the other ingrediants (i.e. Theophyline)

    Chears

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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/10/18 16:22:26 (permalink)
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    So whats the diifferences between Eph and Clen?? Thinking of doing a cutting cycle with both. Are they both liver toxic?? Reason I ask is I having blood tests in a few weeks and dont want it to come back with high liver values, as my last one did when I had just finished M1T!!! Gets the doctor all worried!!!!
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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/10/18 17:37:43 (permalink)
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    Their effect is similar though eph exerts it's stimulatory effect through the release of nor-adrenaline and circulatory adrenaline increases. Clenbuterol is a much more potent compound and acts directly upon the receptor. This makes for greater receptor stimulation, though does therefore down-regulate receptors much more quickly than eph.

    I'm not sure about eph, though clen is only very mildly liver toxic.

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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/10/21 14:07:00 (permalink)
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    I am new to all this so am looking for advise, I am starting in the gym at the end of the month. My main purpose at the momoent is to lose weight, and then once im down to my ideal weight train to build muscle. Can anyone advise me on what sort of weightloss supplements I can take and where is best to get them from. Many thanks in advance.
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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/10/21 16:05:08 (permalink)
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    tbh bro if you're just starting out you won't need anything at all. Simply training, cardio and a good diet will yield a very positive effect. Fat loss pills are merely an aid (and a small one at that) to fat loss, which are best utilised when you are nearing your target weight and fat loss may have slowed.

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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/10/21 17:20:55 (permalink)
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    cheers buddy, i will give it a go and monitor my loss.
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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/11/05 00:36:53 (permalink)
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    ok in a week and a half i am starting my clen/eca cycle

    i am very interested to see if i experience any side effects because i generally dont feel i will

    dont know why - i think it might be because i dont believe in them

    i know that sounds so stupid but i am totally serious

    my feeling is even if i get em i wont let em effect me

    probably gonna be wrong and posting on here in 10 days crying - lol

    anyone out there who has been doing about 3 ephs a day and not experiencing sides?
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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/11/05 09:58:17 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: newest_newbie

    ok in a week and a half i am starting my clen/eca cycle

    i am very interested to see if i experience any side effects because i generally dont feel i will


    lol - you will! Especially the Clen

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    RE: ECA (Epedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) 2004/11/07 02:10:52 (permalink)
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    i remember the first time i had the shakes off clen, trying to write and thought people would notice made me abit para!

    some people dont see any sides when using eph at normal doses, most see minor sides. we are all diffrent.

    we are all different and the same.
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