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ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff

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2006/07/11 01:38:08 (permalink)

ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff

Im 18 years old. 4 months ago I weighed 205. Im now at 227. My gf got pregnant and all Ive been doing is eating,lol. Which would be better for me strictly Eph and Caffeine or do Hydroxy with caffeine in that.

I will be taking 10 grms. Creatine and 5 grms. Glutamine post work, with 15 grams of sugar and 50 grams Whey shake. Then I do 30 min Cardio, then I take an additional 20 grams Whey and 5 grams sugar.

Im doing about 2,000 cals day 5 meals, With 180 grams protein, 75 grams good carbs and 20 grams of sugar a day.

Sounds good and plz feel free to critique me! THX M8S!
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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/11 01:59:15 (permalink)
    AWhy take creatine when cutting? Creatine makes you hold more water....
    15 grams of sugar isnt good either.

    ECA stack will punk hydroxycut.
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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/11 02:16:43 (permalink)
    SO, NO creatine when trying to shed pounds. Do staright Ephedrine with Riped Fuel with only Caffeine. NO Hydroxycut with Caffeine. Do the ripped fuel with the cafeine and Ephedrine?

    If I take Creatine on a cut I will not be losing as much fat
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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/11 03:21:51 (permalink)
    Im not famiular
    To be honest im not familiar with ripped fuel. I imagine its just another thermogenic compound. If that’s the case then it might not interact so well with the ephedrine. Maybe someone else can answer that.

    As for creatine, I don’t see any reason you would want to retain all that extra water with trying to run and cutting calories. So yea, scrap it. It has nothing to do with fat loss or real muscle gain.

    The best thing you can do is take an ephedrine caffeine aspirin stack. ECA. If you have access take some clenbuterol. I love that stuff.
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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/11 03:57:46 (permalink)
    Creatine doesnt make REAL muscle growth? It justs inflates them with water and makes the cells bloated?

    Take Ephedrine and Caffeine. Ripped Fuel has koala nut among others , On the bottle it says it is 200 mg of caffeine a serving.

    So scrap the Creatine and do the ECA?

    I threw away my Clen because some1 told me its only alittle better than ECA stack and its alot worse on your heart than AAS IS!
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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/11 05:20:44 (permalink)
    clen when used correctly really isnt that bad.
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catclen.htm
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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/11 09:42:44 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: CoVetous

    As for creatine, I don’t see any reason you would want to retain all that extra water with trying to run and cutting calories. So yea, scrap it. It has nothing to do with fat loss or real muscle gain.


    This is incorrect.

    It is useful during periods of cutting to help maintain strength levels.

    Creatine aids performance. Creatine is utilised by muscle cells where a conversion to creatine phosphate (or phosphocreatine). It is kept within a cell until required to produce chemical energy (adenosine triphosphate or ATP for short).

    When the ATP has been used up creatine phosphate (through a fairly complicated process!) replenishes the supply that can then be further utilised for energy. Therefore, the greater the creatine level in muscle cells, the greater energy available.

    Also, the greater the amount of creatine phosphate, the greater the level of water drawn into the muscle (volumisation). This volumisation is a trigger for increased protein synthesis (increased growth).


    Whether this increase in performance results in greater muscle growth is reliant on other factors such as diet, adequate rest etc.

     
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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/11 12:37:45 (permalink)
    Well said partyboy!!!!!!

    Was building up to a moment until I read your thread!!! lol


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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/11 13:02:08 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: zaraleoni

    Well said partyboy!!!!!!

    Was building up to a moment until I read your thread!!! lol


    lol i already started writing one , then noticed. keep using creatine
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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/11 17:34:43 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: PartyBoy


    ORIGINAL: CoVetous

    As for creatine, I don’t see any reason you would want to retain all that extra water with trying to run and cutting calories. So yea, scrap it. It has nothing to do with fat loss or real muscle gain.


    This is incorrect.

    It is useful during periods of cutting to help maintain strength levels.

    Creatine aids performance. Creatine is utilised by muscle cells where a conversion to creatine phosphate (or phosphocreatine). It is kept within a cell until required to produce chemical energy (adenosine triphosphate or ATP for short).

    When the ATP has been used up creatine phosphate (through a fairly complicated process!) replenishes the supply that can then be further utilised for energy. Therefore, the greater the creatine level in muscle cells, the greater energy available.

    Also, the greater the amount of creatine phosphate, the greater the level of water drawn into the muscle (volumisation). This volumisation is a trigger for increased protein synthesis (increased growth).


    Whether this increase in performance results in greater muscle growth is reliant on other factors such as diet, adequate rest etc.



    So, what youre saying Partyboy is that I can continue to take Creatine on my cutting diet. Keep in mind that I am going to be taking an ECA stack.

    Ill be doing a 2,0000 cals a day, with 150 grams of protein, 75 good carbs a day. The only sugar Ill be taking is 15 grams only after a workout with Glutamine and 10 grams Creatine.

    I can continue the Creatine to maintain strength on the cut? OR will it continue to bloat my muscle and STOP MY GOAL OF FAT LOSS!

    Thanks Party Boy!
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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/11 17:55:40 (permalink)
    Yes, you can continue to use. It does not stop fat loss.

     
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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/11 21:58:01 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

    Yes, you can continue to use. It does not stop fat loss.



    Thanks! In this post someone said taking sugar after a workout on a cut is a bad idea. I was under the impression that directly after weight training whether on a cut or a bulk none of the sugar you are taking post workout goes to insulin levels and makes you fatter.

    I though taking sugar DIRECTLY afer a workout goes STARIGHT to the muscles to puch the protein and creatine back in the burned muscle. Im trying to lose weight, Is sugar after a workout bad idea to cut?

    ALSO- On a cut you gotta cut the sugar out but Cretaine works best with insulin spikes. Will Creatine still work if the only sugar I take is after a workout thanks Party Boy!
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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/12 09:17:41 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: tommy727
    In this post someone said taking sugar after a workout on a cut is a bad idea. I was under the impression that directly after weight training whether on a cut or a bulk none of the sugar you are taking post workout goes to insulin levels and makes you fatter.

    I though taking sugar DIRECTLY afer a workout goes STARIGHT to the muscles to puch the protein and creatine back in the burned muscle. Im trying to lose weight, Is sugar after a workout bad idea to cut?


    Fat gain/loss depends on the diet as a whole, not whether or not you take glucose post workout. If you are struggling to lose fat and aren't seeing the results you want, then the post workout sugars would probably need to go.


    ALSO- On a cut you gotta cut the sugar out but Cretaine works best with insulin spikes. Will Creatine still work if the only sugar I take is after a workout thanks Party Boy!


    Don't be concerned about the difference in effectiveness from creatine + glucose vs creatine alone when you're cutting. The cutting takes priority as the post workout glucose removal will mean an easy 80-100 calorie loss from the daily diet.

    btw, when you say "sugar" I hope you mean dextrose/glucose and not regular table sugar.
    post edited by PartyBoy - 2006/07/12 09:23:01

     
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    RE: ECA Stack with Caffeine or Hydroxycut with Caff 2006/07/12 10:04:04 (permalink)
    saw the artical james wrote on creatine.

    Here in the US we are really not well informed

    I stand corrected
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