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2003/05/08 12:07:30 (permalink)

ECA

What is it?
what does it do?
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    Physioboy
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/08 12:48:04 (permalink)
    is caffeine on its own effective?
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/08 12:55:10 (permalink)
    ECA =
    Ephedrine (20-30mgs depending on the mood of yr source)
    Caffeine (200mg becoz this is the ammount companies sell it)
    Aspirin (any ammount- usually 300mg but imo a baby asp is better)

    the theoretical ratio is E:C:A=1:10:4

    the E and C work TOGETHER to promote weight-loss, boost energy and enhance athletic performance.. Asp is there just to prolong the effects created by the other two ingredients. Another thing worth noting is that ECA has some anti-catabolic properties, which means that we can retain some muscle even while cutting.

    to give u an idea, eph is a central nervous system stimulant and, therefore, works the same way as clen. However, eph increases yr metabolism by about 3% whereas clen increases yr metabolism by 5-10%. Am sure u'll agree that even 3% is pretty good.

    imo, ECA works best when cycled with clen. or else if u wanna take the ECA on its own, do so for around 8 weeks straight, then take 3-4 weeks off. etc

    u dont really need the aspirin. the E+C can do the fatburn. (asp can bepretty nasty to the intestines) so the asp is down to the individual.

    you need to take the ECA 3 times a day. For first-timers, the best thing u must do is start with one morning dose for the first 3/4 days to get used to the eph, and then gradually build up to 3 doses a day. last dose before 5pm, becoz the caffeine will keep u awake. (to give u an idea, 200mg of caff = 3 strong espressos). As a first timer, u will get a wired feeling and some shaky hands.. this is normal, and it gradually goes away.
    before u start taking ECA, make sure you dont have any heart problems, or high blood pressure.

    PS: I'll make this a sticky. will encourage me to make a FAQ lol
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/08 13:01:16 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Physioboy

    is caffeine on its own effective?



    not really mate.. u need the eph. this creates a synergesic effect. in theory, caff is supposed to have thermogenic properties on its own, but what it really does is that the caff blocks some enzymes in the body, and this is how it increases thermogenesis. the only thing is that the thermogenesis is firstly created by the presence of the ephedrine.. Do u see what i mean? so in summary u need both E +C.
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/08 14:34:18 (permalink)
    HERBAL VERSIONS:
    if you make your own stack, u can use pure ephedrine pills, and for those who prefer to buy commercial stacks, some of these contain the herbal version of ephedrine. This is called Ma huang.
    Ma huang is made up of 6 to 8% ephedrine.

    for example- MaHuang 335mg(6% ephedrine)is the equivalent of 20mg pure ephedrine. as such, one version isnt "stronger than the other" as long as the quantities are respected. The only snag with herbal versions is that we dont know what the other 90% of the herb is doing to out body!

    another name u may come across is White Willow Bark (15% salicin): and this stands for ASPIRIN.

    another is Guarana Extract (22% caffeine) .. thus 910mg of guarana is equivalent of 200mg caffeine

    if u r taking the herbal version, just pull out the claculator and do yr own maths to make sure the quantities are the same as the ones i put in my first post
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/08 14:52:51 (permalink)
    Eph is illegal in the UK.
    however the Mahuang is legal. usually sold by the local chinese herbalist. but its no good for us in the form they sell it in. (looks like pines off a christmas tree)

    you can buy it from Boots in the form of Do Do Chesteze. chesteze helps when you have a tight chest. so u can tell the vendor that yr chest isnt too good. one chesteze contins 18.3mg ephedrine. it also contains theophylline. some people react to theophylline so if you are using chesteze, always start at a low dose for the first 3 days to see how u will react.

    Caffeine can be bought in a chemists or tesco etc in the form of ProPlus. (each proplus pill contains 50mg caffeine)
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/08 14:56:59 (permalink)
    Sides: eph can lead to a dramatic change in heart rate or blood pressure. so if u have a history of heart probs, then maybe eph isnt for u. Moreover, ephedrine can be addictive if taken for more than 6 months. u can also get a wired feeling when u take it, but this goes away soon
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/09 11:53:22 (permalink)
    so you want about 20mg eph and 200mg of caff three times a day?
    is 20mg the minimum amount needed to induce any thermogenisis?
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/09 12:01:25 (permalink)
    can't find that do do stuff on boots website mate. anywhere else sell it?
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/09 12:40:04 (permalink)
    mate the chesteze contains ephedrine which is a prescribed drug. So there is no way that boots are gonna freely sell it online.

    you have to go into the shop yrself. that is why i espcially mentioned to you above posts that you have to specifically tell the vendor (the boots pharmacist) that you have a tight chest when u ask for chesteze. and you also have to say that you've used it before. you cant buy more than two packs at once (each pack has 30 pills) because their reasoning is that if it needed that much chesteze to take the disconfort from yr chest, then its time u went to see a doc. lol

    All the local chemists used to stock chesteze, but they no longer do due to eph being banned. they all say "ohh.. i havent seen that product for a while ..we might have run out of stock.. come again next month" but that is becoz most dont even remember that the reason their stock is down is becoz eph is banned.

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    RE: ECA 2003/05/09 12:43:20 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Physioboy

    so you want about 20mg eph and 200mg of caff three times a day?
    is 20mg the minimum amount needed to induce any thermogenisis?


    those are the most efficient quantities. u may induce thermogenesis at lower doses, but it wont work just as well.
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/09 13:50:04 (permalink)
    SPOTS ?

    the xenadrine contains TYROSINE. tyrosine is known to give you spots because in the body, tyrosine is used in the production of melanin pigments.

    dont worry about it.. the spots will go after a while. this sideeffect has already been noticed in other people.
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/14 10:59:50 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Charlie

    SPOTS ?

    the xenadrine contains TYROSINE. tyrosine is known to give you spots because in the body, tyrosine is used in the production of melanin pigments.

    dont worry about it.. the spots will go after a while. this sideeffect has already been noticed in other people.



    Hi there,

    Just a question regarding Tyrosine,

    I used Holland & Barratts version of xenadrine which is called Xtralean, it has exactly the same ingrediants but is half the price.

    Anyway when i started using it, my forehead burst out with spots and after reading about it on:
    http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/xenadrine/xenadrine-side-effects.htm

    i stopped using it and my spots cleared up.
    I am currently using EAS Simply Whey and was wanting to change to either Reflex or the all-in1 but have read that the reflex protein contains Tyrosine i am having second thoughts and would be grateful for any help, the ingrediants for reflex can be read on:
    http://www.affordablesupplements.co.uk/ProductDetail.asp?ProductID=403

    Many Thanks
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/20 22:21:15 (permalink)
    Excellent info Charlie thank you learnt a lot from that lot

    Very interesting

    Wrongun!
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    RE: ECA 2003/05/22 01:48:04 (permalink)
    cheers buddy, i'll be writting a paragraph about side effects next
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    RE: ECA 2003/06/03 21:50:07 (permalink)
    not been online for a while but it's good to get back on to this site. eph is not illegale, it's not even a clas C drug. It's only banned in sport, so if you don't compete in a national run league then you shouldn't worry.
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    RE: ECA 2003/06/10 09:11:56 (permalink)
    j7elt2000 is right, i play rugby and my team just got relegated from the national league. so that means i can use eph without getting banned.

    and they say cheats don't prosper!
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    RE: ECA 2003/06/12 18:35:37 (permalink)
    sides:
    anxiety, shaking,increased sweating, lightheadedness, dizziness, light headache, gastrointestinal distress, insomnia, irregular heartbeat, increased heart rate, heart palpitations, stroke, seizures, psychosis etc..people who are easily depressed should be on a watch out because the eph will increase their depression. people with a history of heart probs should just keep away from eph. the increased sweating/heat production means you need to drink more water

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    RE: ECA 2003/06/13 21:59:53 (permalink)
    Charlie, is there any thing else I could use instead of the eph? Anything legal I mean?
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    RE: ECA 2003/06/14 14:01:02 (permalink)
    hi guys! Can anyone explain to me, if the homemade eca stack is as effective as something like dymetradine Xtreme, i got the US version which is much stronger, im thinking to switching to the homemade version seeng that The US Dymet is being banned or something, allowing my guy to put a big price hike on it!
    Anyhelp would be grat
    Thanking you in advance
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