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Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise

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2011/03/23 09:57:15 (permalink)

Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise

Hey all, quick query.
Weve just had meetings and Ive found out that I am the only person on my team not to receive a raise. I am also the only full time member out of 4.
 
Now, bear in mind, raises are based on performance (aside from how the company is doing financially, but in this case, the company did well).
 
During 2010, I have received no cause of concern for my performance, in my recent appraisal for 2010, no negative points were brought up and was given a positive review.
 
In 2010, I receive a discplinary warning but was also notified by the HR Director that the discplinary did not take into account, my role performance and I should not associate the discplinary with it.
My manager also knows I am actively looking for other internal positions within the company (HR told her!) .
 
These are the 2 reasons why I was not given the raise but does not make sense since these reasons have not affected my performance at all in 2010, of which the 2011 raised is based upon.
 
Does this sound right to you? If you think I have grounds for appeal, please can you advise. I know this is a work out forum but hey, its the general section.
 
Thanks in advance for your time and help.

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    Akademik
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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 10:03:33 (permalink)
    I think you have every right to feel aggrieved but be careful as im pretty sure in most organizations it is forbidden to discuss wages/raises/payrises with other employees and con sometimes result in an instant dismissal (depending on the company ofcourse).
     
    If I was you I would ask directly if you could be eligible for the said payrise and see what their answer is as to why you have not been given one. I would probably leave out the fact that you know everyone else on your team has received one.
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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 10:13:33 (permalink)
    Thank you Akademik.
     
    Fact is, manager knows weve discussed rises, cant go back on that now.
     
    No point asking if Im eligible since Ive not been given one with the reasons above (both of which have not affected my performance which raises are decided upon).
     
    Just want to find out these are fair reasons, if not, Im appealing against it out of principle.

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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 10:25:09 (permalink)
    tell them to shove the job up their arses
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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 10:30:22 (permalink)
    cant give you a definitive answer, but from experience i can say that every time i have taken on HR (3 times) i have lost, whether it be due to holidays or raises or even a disciplinary, all imo warranted questioning and exploration of what was said in the contarct and what was done, however HR are a bitch to deal with and in your case have already acted against your interests by disclosing you are looking elsewhere, which by default shows which side of the fence they are sat on.
     
    I would bite the bullet, take it on the chin etc and just look to leave as it doesnt sound like a very healthy work place to be at.
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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 10:43:48 (permalink)
    Gav - haha I will soon (hopefully), plus my referee here is a sound guy, a mate is anything and of senior management level so he wont stitch me over.
     
    Big D - thanks for your reply. I understand but none of these things have affected my performance.
     
    Can an emplyer not give you a raise because youre actively seeking other jobs, and doing so out of office hours?
     
     

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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 11:00:28 (permalink)
    If others get a raise and you dont it means one of two things. you either suck at your job or you're a walk over. Decide which one you are and act accordingly

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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 11:19:33 (permalink)
    Or that your not in the clique or have upset someone. I'd keep quiet carry on working hard bide my time and move on to a better position/job.
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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 12:48:41 (permalink)
    Im with rebull, i wouldnt let it drop until i got a good reason or my pennys back dated to be inline with the others.
    Have you had much time off sick?
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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 14:31:20 (permalink)
    Called in once off sick for 3 days, back in 2010 Q1.
     
    But yeah, Im not letting it rest until I get proper answers which relate to my performance in my role so Ive just emailed HR.
    Still need to make sure Im on solid ground to dispute it but as far as Im aware (but from a non legal back ground), I do.

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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 14:44:10 (permalink)
    Is their a written criteria set out as to what exactly is required for an employee to receive a raise? If they don't have it written down as proper policy then it can possibly be argued that it's personal.
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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 14:55:28 (permalink)
    I just checked my contract and there isnt.

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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 15:15:58 (permalink)
    More important than your raise is the company's long-term view of you. The suggestion is that they don't value you quite as highly as others because they either expect you to leave soon or want you to leave soon.
     
    If you've already applied appropriate resistance to the lack of pay rise then I'd say don't waste your energies further. They'd be better employed by looking for a new role where you would be more valued as this one would only appear to be going one way.
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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 16:27:55 (permalink)
    Thanks Gruffy.
    I understand what youve said but now for me, Im doing it out of principle.
     
    Regardless of expecting me to leave and not being of value, there has been no cause of concern for my performance and have in fact been given praise in the past, of which I have email correspondance for.
     
    HR director is currently out of office, shes in tomorrow so will see what she says and update the thread.
     
    Raise = dependant on performance
    My performance = no cause for concern, no warnings on actual performance, low number of sick days, good punctuality, given personal hours to help out team
    

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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 18:36:39 (permalink)
    I've fought a few battles of principle in my time so I can't argue against it, but the older (and, in theory, wiser) I get the more judicious I am about picking my fights. Think about the result you're looking to achieve, whether that's possible/realistic and whether it's worth the effort that would be required. Most importantly, consider what else could be achieved with that amount of effort.
     
    All logical in principle, I know, but more difficult to apply in reality I appreciate.
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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 20:27:38 (permalink)
    Akademik

    I think you have every right to feel aggrieved but be careful as im pretty sure in most organizations it is forbidden to discuss wages/raises/payrises with other employees and con sometimes result in an instant dismissal (depending on the company ofcourse).

    If I was you I would ask directly if you could be eligible for the said payrise and see what their answer is as to why you have not been given one. I would probably leave out the fact that you know everyone else on your team has received one.

     
    Never heard of a company forbidding chat about wages. Any company that thinks that is both enforceable and likely to happen is very stupid.
     
    Check your contract to see what is said about pay rises. They're usually at the discretion of the company, so you may not have a leg to stand on.  Was the discussion with HR in confidence? That would be a bigger issue to me. What was the disciplinary for?
     
    Best to speak with ACAS.
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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 20:29:37 (permalink)
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    Thanks Gruffy.
    I understand what youve said but now for me, Im doing it out of principle.

    Regardless of expecting me to leave and not being of value, there has been no cause of concern for my performance and have in fact been given praise in the past, of which I have email correspondance for.

    HR director is currently out of office, shes in tomorrow so will see what she says and update the thread.

    Raise = dependant on performance
    My performance = no cause for concern, no warnings on actual performance, low number of sick days, good punctuality, given personal hours to help out team

    How is your performance measured?
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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 20:31:39 (permalink)
    hi jai ro, tricky one really.
    if your looking elsewhere and have a sound referee in place from your current company, then go further with the pay rise dispute. i doubt you will be mr popular if you do go down this route. just dont go mentioning speaking to your co workers about the pay rise.
     
    you working in canary wharf for a big bank?
    once i get my cima done, im thinking of moving back down to london again for a city job !

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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/23 21:38:03 (permalink)
    Thanks for your responses all, haha, Im starting to sound like a baby now crying for some milk.
     
    In response:
     
    Gruffy - nada really, Im spending the least effort on this compared to anything else Im doing like trying to find a new role but at the same time, not stepping on anyones toes.
    Rosco -  clause in contracts says its, 'reviewed annually on the basis of performance appraisals', my appraisal has no negative points and has been signed off appropriate management.
    Was the discussion with HR in confidence? No, specifically, I did not say the phrase, "I would like to ask you something in confidence.........".
    That would be a bigger issue to me. What was the disciplinary for?
    Misconduct but again, let me stress, I was informed by lower and higher management (HR mngr, CFO) the decision had no bearing on my performance (I tried to dispute it because my record in the past was clean, no complaints etc but was told thats a seperate issue altogether).
    Performance is measured by standard means, i.e. quality of work, meeting deadlines etc etc.
    Orange - im still in wharf. good luck on the cima!

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    Re:Employee advice - only one in team not given a raise 2011/03/24 02:29:15 (permalink)
    Nick as much stationary as you can-it will make you feel much better

    I'll cross that bridge after i've burned it.
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