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2008/05/13 18:24:43 (permalink)

Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse

I know, I know, I was duped into buying something I thought was the 'real deal' but anyway, I have a bottle now and I'm gonna use it god dammit

Does anyone know how much of the ingredient is in 1 capsule - the label is a bit usless and tells you to take 1or2 capsules but it doesn't tell you how much of what your actually taking in that 1 or 2!! Do you get the 30mg of 'ephedrine' hit in 1 or 2

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    tigernut
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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/13 18:52:22 (permalink)
    have you not mailed them and asked mate??

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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/13 19:13:18 (permalink)
    To be honest, I'm not sure how much "eph" there is per capsule, according to the official site (which unfortunately I found after buying Eph25+) each capsule has 425mg of ephedra herb. Is this likely to give rise to 30mg per cap then ?

    Where did you get your Eph 25+ from ? I got mine from Muscle Finesse and feel their description is a little misleading.

    Anyway, I don't think you need to worry about how much "eph" there is per cap, because this product is so weak you won't feel a thing if you're anything like me. I've had great success with Eph HCL in the past and thought this was what I was getting when I bought it. I was planning on saving it for the last part of my cut and cycling it 2 weeks on/off with clen, but on finding out it was the herbal stuff I decided to just get on with using it up now, then having a bit of a break before starting on the "proper" ephedrine.

    The first time I took Eph25+, I took 2 caps about an hour after waking up from a 9 hour sleep. I went for a 25 min jog and then went straight back to sleep, which indicates to me that this product is pretty crap. It's very unlikely that would happen to me with Eph HCL.

    Thread here you might be interested in re Eph 25+:-

    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2678223/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm
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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/13 19:47:58 (permalink)
    each capsule has 425mg of ephedra herb. Is this likely to give rise to 30mg per cap then ?


    Yes. ephedra herb (ma-huang) is usually standardized to 7-8% ephedrine alkoloids
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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/13 20:30:39 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: tigernut

    have you not mailed them and asked mate??


    Yeah, that would make more sense but I figured I would get a quicker response here as I want to start it pronto so I can get rid of the stuff. I used to buy Kaizen Eph from Astro but it ain't cheap, not by a long shot!! Shortly after buying eph25 I found a site selling Arsan Eph at a very tidy price

    I wanted to know coz I was going to stack my remaining stock of kaizen eph with eph25 to boost it's potency but don't want to overdo it!!


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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/13 20:56:34 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Gothic_Muscle


    ORIGINAL: tigernut

    have you not mailed them and asked mate??


    Yeah, that would make more sense but I figured I would get a quicker response here as I want to start it pronto so I can get rid of the stuff. I used to buy Kaizen Eph from Astro but it ain't cheap, not by a long shot!! Shortly after buying eph25 I found a site selling Arsan Eph at a very tidy price

    I wanted to know coz I was going to stack my remaining stock of kaizen eph with eph25 to boost it's potency but don't want to overdo it!!

    then by the sounds of it its gonna be a bit of trial and error. ive had the sida stuff and i dunno how that compares to this stuff but sida is shiite. HCL is the business but even that you can get used to with to much use. musclefitnesse is a company that the owners of come on here dont they? can ya not mail them on ere like?? cant remember who has it and might be getting mixed up actually, i dunno.

    i'm not much use for ya anyway so sorry pal

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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/14 15:27:00 (permalink)
    i got stitched up with this stuff as well.it says 30mg ephedrine per cap on the bottle,no mention of herbal or hcl which imo is misleading.
    i emailed muscle finesse enquiring why i can take 2 of these and feel nothing but one 16mg do-do chesteze tablet can get ma sweat on...surprise surprise,no reply.

    im pretty sure someone from musclefinesse reads this site,it would be nice if they posted why they felt the need to con idiots like me but i suppose the answer is a simple monetary one
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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/15 12:37:58 (permalink)
    I know this product and it's very well known and liked

    I've read a few posts, can you summarise the issues you have with it, ie why you feel it's a con?
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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/15 15:04:47 (permalink)
    I can't speak on behalf of others but my take of it is as follows:-

    I don't have a major problem with this product - having now seen the official website (Northern Rocker provided the link in this thread http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2678223/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm after I had purchased 4 bottles). On this website, it clearly states that it contains "425 milligrams of the freshest purest highest grade ephedra herb" so at least there it's not trying to pretend it's ephedrine (HCL), which I much prefer to the herbal "equivalent".

    However, I do feel slightly mislead by the description on Muscle Finesse which led me to make my purchase .

    From my experience of checking ingredient lists of thermogenic supplements of this type, every such product I have looked at in the last 10 years (the period during which I have occasionally used supplements) has always stated exactly what is in it, eg. "x amount of ma huang", "x amount of ma huang providing x amount of ephedrine", "x amount of ephedra herb," x amount of synephrine etc.

    For example, if you look at the Grenade description on Muscle Finesse, it states "Ma Huang 500mg". However, the description for Eph 25_ states "Ephedrine 30mg". So I, and quite a few other MT members by the looks of things, assumed it contained 30 mg of ephedrine HCL.

    I subsequently learnt on here that my assumption had been wrong. Upon using this product (even in double doses), I could not feel any effect whatsoever. This was very different from my experience of eph HCL.

    So perhaps it was wrong of me to assume it was eph HCL, having since loooked into the legal situation regarding eph in more detail then this is now more obvious...but at the same time, if Muscle Finesse simply ammended the product description then such confusion wouldn't occur in the first place. According to various online posts I've read, people have e-mailed them about this, so the fact that they haven't taken any action leads me to conclude that it's more beneficial for them to keep the misleading description, pocket the sales proceeds and put up with pissing off the occasional customer rather than lose out on more sales in the first place.

    As for the product itself, I have only been on it for a week and a half, so I want to give it some time before I make my final judgement. However, so far I'm not impressed, particularly when compared with eph HCL.
    post edited by chazbangalang - 2008/05/15 15:16:50
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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/15 15:35:39 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: chazbangalang

    For example, if you look at the Grenade description on Muscle Finesse, it states "Ma Huang 500mg". However, the description for Eph 25_ states "Ephedrine 30mg". So I, and quite a few other MT members by the looks of things, assumed it contained 30 mg of ephedrine HCL.

    Remember, on most supplement store sites, they simply get the descriptions from the manufacturers. On the bottle of EPH25+ label it says "Ephedrine 30mg" - so do you feel the stores should say otherwise and why?

    So perhaps it was wrong of me to assume it was eph HCL, having since loooked into the legal situation regarding eph in more detail then this is now more obvious...but at the same time, if Muscle Finesse simply ammended the product description then such confusion wouldn't occur in the first place. According to various online posts I've read, people have e-mailed them about this, so the fact that they haven't taken any action leads me to conclude that it's more beneficial for them to keep the misleading description, pocket the sales proceeds and put up with pissing off the occasional customer rather than lose out on more sales in the first place.

    I know the owner of MF personally (it's now secret here that Bill and I go back about 15 years), so I can assure you that this is not the case. It is simply that they have their description as per the label of the product.

    What do you feel it should say? I will then ensure MF see this and action appropriately. Do you feel they should describe not as per the label? If so why?

    As for the product itself, I have only been on it for a week and a half, so I want to give it some time before I make my final judgement. However, so far I'm not impressed, particularly when compared with eph HCL.

    You're comparing a drug with a supplement. Would you compare http://www.hgh-supplement.co.uk/ with http://www.genotropin.com/ ?


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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/15 17:29:25 (permalink)
    Hi m8 do you find eph or caffeine effects your UC at all??
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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/15 18:19:31 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: James


    Remember, on most supplement store sites, they simply get the descriptions from the manufacturers. On the bottle of EPH25+ label it says "Ephedrine 30mg" - so do you feel the stores should say otherwise and why?

    Irrespective of what the label says, it's obvious from numerous postings on this board alone that the current description has caused confusion and left a bitter taste with some customers - so to prevent any future confusion it would be logical to provide the most accurrate description, which is that it contains 425mg of ephedra herb,as per the website blurb, or a similar statement. This way, customers like myself can see exactly what they are getting and won't have even the slightest grounds to whinge like I have
    I know the owner of MF personally (it's now secret here that Bill and I go back about 15 years), so I can assure you that this is not the case. It is simply that they have their description as per the label of the product.

    Fair enough, I don't have a vendetta against MF and I have, in fact, made a purchase (of other products obviously !) since, largely due to the fact that their service seems very speedy. Obviously if the product description was changed, then this would show MF cares about their customers' opinions and would restore my faith in them completely.

    What do you feel it should say? I will then ensure MF see this and action appropriately. Do you feel they should describe not as per the label? If so why?
    See above

    You're comparing a drug with a supplement. Would you compare http://www.hgh-supplement.co.uk/ with http://www.genotropin.com/ ?

    But the whole point is that I, and a few other MT members who have been in the same situation, thought we were getting the "drug" based on the product description, rather than the inferior "supplement". Which is exactly why we have this gripe and these types of post have appeared re Eph 25+. Anyway, thanks for your attention on the issue.



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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/16 10:26:37 (permalink)
    The thing is, MF sell 100s and 100s of different products - they, like other companies, do not research the exact ingredients, they simply get the details from the labels or passed from the compan ies in question. I will pass this topic on, but it may be a case that they need to varify this.

    Irrespective of what the label says, it's obvious from numerous postings on this board alone

    I have never seen this issue raised before else I would have passed it onto them. Can you show me other links please?
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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/16 10:37:57 (permalink)
    Sorry - I have now seen then link to the other topic

    however, have you got a link to the other website you mention. I have a bottle of eph25 in front of me now, and I'm confused. If they do not contain what the label says, then surely this is missrepresentation?

    Surely it's more important that the website says what the label says - not what people say?

    I must say, I'm not sure I agree with you.

    Do other people have an opinion? Do you think a website product description should state the same ingredients as the actual product label, or something else?

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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/16 12:14:56 (permalink)
    I bought 4 bottles of Eph25 from MF with the belief that it was Ephedrine HCL. I am very surprised to find out it is actually ma-huang, I would not have bought them had I known.
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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/16 15:02:40 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: sirzig

    i got stitched up with this stuff as well.it says 30mg ephedrine per cap on the bottle,no mention of herbal or hcl which imo is misleading.
    i emailed muscle finesse enquiring why i can take 2 of these and feel nothing but one 16mg do-do chesteze tablet can get ma sweat on...surprise surprise,no reply.

    im pretty sure someone from musclefinesse reads this site,it would be nice if they posted why they felt the need to con idiots like me but i suppose the answer is a simple monetary one

    Sorry that you feel you were being conned. But can I ask why you feel this way? Our description is as per the label. We do not make the stuff, we, as all our products, stock brands.

    The label says ephedrine - so, to our knowldge, that's what it contains.

    How do you feel about this sirzig?
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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/16 15:11:54 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: chazbangalang

    I can't speak on behalf of others but my take of it is as follows:-

    I don't have a major problem with this product - having now seen the official website (Northern Rocker provided the link in this thread http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2678223/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm after I had purchased 4 bottles). On this website, it clearly states that it contains "425 milligrams of the freshest purest highest grade ephedra herb" so at least there it's not trying to pretend it's ephedrine (HCL), which I much prefer to the herbal "equivalent".

    However, I do feel slightly mislead by the description on Muscle Finesse which led me to make my purchase .

    From my experience of checking ingredient lists of thermogenic supplements of this type, every such product I have looked at in the last 10 years (the period during which I have occasionally used supplements) has always stated exactly what is in it, eg. "x amount of ma huang", "x amount of ma huang providing x amount of ephedrine", "x amount of ephedra herb," x amount of synephrine etc.

    For example, if you look at the Grenade description on Muscle Finesse, it states "Ma Huang 500mg". However, the description for Eph 25_ states "Ephedrine 30mg". So I, and quite a few other MT members by the looks of things, assumed it contained 30 mg of ephedrine HCL.

    I subsequently learnt on here that my assumption had been wrong. Upon using this product (even in double doses), I could not feel any effect whatsoever. This was very different from my experience of eph HCL.

    So perhaps it was wrong of me to assume it was eph HCL, having since loooked into the legal situation regarding eph in more detail then this is now more obvious...but at the same time, if Muscle Finesse simply ammended the product description then such confusion wouldn't occur in the first place. According to various online posts I've read, people have e-mailed them about this, so the fact that they haven't taken any action leads me to conclude that it's more beneficial for them to keep the misleading description, pocket the sales proceeds and put up with pissing off the occasional customer rather than lose out on more sales in the first place.

    As for the product itself, I have only been on it for a week and a half, so I want to give it some time before I make my final judgement. However, so far I'm not impressed, particularly when compared with eph HCL.

    I'm not sure what link you mean.

    People use this product and are very happy. Myself, I find it very strong, so much so that for some people we advise the less strong reflex sida cordifolia.

    It is our duty as a store to inform people in our descritions of products what the product says it contains in the label - this is what we've done. I'm not sure what the issue is with us here. We sell products - we've sold a product as described. In what way are we missleading people?

    We've been selling this product for years and (other than the other topic which I was previously unaware of) this issue has never arisen before. I'm not sure why we should describe a product which we do not make any differently from what a label says.

    However, I do regret that you're unimpressed by this product, but I assure you that we sell this product with the same good intentions that we sell all our 100s of other products.

    We'll obviously amend our description if there's a need to, but as far as I'm aware there is no need to, so far in this topic I see no reason to.

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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/16 15:16:23 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Sampson

    I bought 4 bottles of Eph25 from MF with the belief that it was Ephedrine HCL. I am very surprised to find out it is actually ma-huang, I would not have bought them had I known.


    I'm sorry that you feel this way. I regret that you now feel this way because of this topic. I can assure you that we're selling exactly what we say, despite what others believe.

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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/16 15:28:47 (permalink)
    There should be little difference really in effect from eph derived through herb or via lab synthesis. That said, everyone reacts differently to products, myself included.

    Upto perhaps a few weeks ago I was a strong advocate of herbal preparations over pharma as effects for me personally have always been more favourable. That said, my latest cycle of herbal (which included the same ones as previous cycles including Grenade, the classic old MinistryOfFitness thermo's (don't talk to me about use by dates lol), and another brand containing herbal synephrine) didn't really touch the sides, contrary to previous experiences with these products. I switched to 1 dose of pharma hcl and it blew my head off. Pretty much the opposite effect of what I'd experienced in the past.

    I'm not a regular, chronic user by any stretch, but my point is, the body is a weird and wonderful thing - and on a whim will react differently to what we expect.

     
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    RE: Eph 25+ from Musclefinesse 2008/05/16 17:28:15 (permalink)
    sorry i was away from my poota yesterday only just read all this.i felt a bit conned as my interpretation of the description on musclefinesse was 30mg ephedrine hcl per capsule.ive always thought herbal ephedrine was referred to as ephedra or ma huang and hcl as ephedrine which maybe i was wrong to do.

    partyboy,i agree there should in theory be little difference between herbal and chemical but in the case of eph i find it a massive one!one works for me,one doesnt.

    bill when i emailed your site asking if you had recieved complaints about the product being underdosed i was still under the impression i was taking eph hcl and couldnt believe the lack of effect i was getting from it.when i got no reply from you/your site i came to the conclusion it WAS underdosed and came away feeling i had wasted my money.

    im clearly not the only one under the impression i was buying hcl and i dont see why people like chaz have to go trawling the internet to find out the product is in fact herbal

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