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2018/03/10 09:49:17 (permalink)
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Epi, Hdrol or Anavar

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Floated in and out of the site for years now, been training for 10+ years though has been intermittent the last few due to injuries. At a point now where these have recovered and/or I am managing them well. Looking to plan a cycle to start in a month or 2 once I am happy my training has been solid without issues for a while.

Currently 140kg be down from 161kg and still aiming to drop further down to 120kg approx. Approx 30% bf right now

Have done a short Hdrol cycle over 7 years ago and got good strength and lean gains with what was a lacking diet at the time. I am now looking to do another beginner cycle of orals to give me a boost once I am back to my old strength. Can remember exactly but was approx 50-75mg for 6weeks

Goal is to gain strength while still dropping fat, lean gain would be good although I am aiming to bring my bw down as mentioned above.

Unsure whether to run Epi, Hdrol or Var as all seem to fit the bill. Male pattern baldness is a concern but besides that no issues

Any advice on compound, dosages or duration would be hugely appreciated and if there is any info I’ve missed please ask

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    Uriel
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/10 11:28:58 (permalink)
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    Not sure if I'd be using gear in those circumstances, maybe just a low dose of test while focusing on losing the fat rather than getting stronger. Those are all good for lean dry gains but at 30%bf you may not even notice a difference in the mirror at all, not sure how strong you'll get if you're on a serious calorie deficit either.
     
    Anyways I don't think there's a lot between them but anecdotally anavar is generally regarded as the best but also by far the most expensive. Epi would give you the most bang for your buck as it's quite cheap and effective at about half the dose of the others.
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/10 13:50:35 (permalink)
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    That’s a fair point and once I am down I plan to try and build strength and muscle with minimal fat and water

    Maybe I’m better off focusing on dropping the bw first and then using a cycle for recomp?

    If I am to use something while dropping bf though it would be more to maintain muscle and promote strength gain as I primarily train to be strong. I was drawn to Anavar because of this, tbol was also a thought but definitely ruled it out as I understand it would be better for gaining lean mass?

    Am I correct in understanding Hdrol would be more comparable to tbol than it would to anavar?
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/10 18:09:27 (permalink)
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    Some people will tell you anavar would be the best one to help with fat loss because of study X or Y where it made people leaner. I would say there is no evidence it actually does it better than tbol or any other similar steroid because they never did a study comparing them.
     
    Yes tbol would be closest to hdrol but they're all quite similar IMHO. Hard to tell exactly which gives you more strength to be honest, a lot of people swear by anavar but never used tbol, I have and it made pretty strong so I dunno, I haven't used anavar as much as I have tbol because I don't feel they're that different other than in price so don't normally buy var. Maybe per mg anavar gives you better gains but then for the cost of taking 40mg of var you can take 80mg of tbol and there's no way in hell the anavar will give you more gains in that case so I'd rather pay for the tbol.
     
    I don't know how fast you plan to lose 20kg of fat I can't imagine it taking less than a few months, and it's generally best to go with injectables if you plan on using them for very long as orals are toxic, which is why I suggested using a bit of testosterone instead during this period. Even if those orals gave you more strength gains than test (which there is no guarantee they would) the other effects they have would be wasted as they're not exactly fast muscle builders and instead are valued for the hard and vascular look they produce which you will not be able to notice with a high body fat.
    post edited by Uriel - 2018/03/10 18:12:16
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/10 20:09:02 (permalink)
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    Thank you for your detailed response, it helps a lot as although I do have a previous experience with Hdrol, that was several years ago and at the time otc products such as that and Epi were all I had available.

    I definitely think test would be where I go next but for me I do want to try an oral cycle again before I take the next step and inject. I understand that ‘test is best’ in many circumstances however I want to make sure that I can commit to a short (was thinking 6 week) oral cycle both on and coming off before considering running a 12 week lower dose test cycle.

    I think this confirms what I originally said about starting in a month or 2 may be more like 2-3 months while I drop the rest if the fat I had planned. My goal has never been to be super lean and maximal strength has always been the priority followed by size. Maybe once I near the 120-125kg point I could look at it to recomp and gain strength?
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/10 21:21:28 (permalink)
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    I would definitely put it on hold for now.
     
    But if the main goal is strength and you're not very worried about getting the bodybuilder look why not just use something like dbol or anadrol?
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/10 21:48:06 (permalink)
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    Strength is the main goal followed by size but I want to start with something mild which is why I was looking at the compounds mentioned. Another factor is although size is a goal, I am reducing my body weight and would not want to blow up in size at least for now. Just looking to recomp and add strength or in the more likely case build some lean size and strength as I will likely drop the weight first.
     
    Would definitely consider Dbol later down the line but for now mild is what I’m after and would be concerned about excessive estrogen especially at a higher body fat and for a first cycle.
     
    Thanks for you advice, I think I will hang fire and focus on the fat loss at least until I’m down to 125kg or less. I will then look to do a mild oral cycle for 6-8 weeks to gain strength and either harden up or build back up a bit depending how much below 125 I drop. For this purpose would tbol be a better option than the 3 compounds I mentioned originally?
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/10 22:21:50 (permalink)
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    Of those tbol would be my choice unless someone was offering me var for free!
     
    But you seem to have the idea that dbol or any other such drug would somehow get in the way of your fat loss which isn't really true. You're not going to "blow up" on dbol while on a calorie deficit, if anything "blows up" it'll be your shoulders stretching all your shirts, not your gut getting bigger. Estrogen is a legitimate concern with dbol but I wouldn't recommend you take any steroid at all before you also have some nolva in hand.
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/11 09:12:35 (permalink)
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    Ok so using Dbol while still dropping body fat to retain muscle? I guess nolva would also combat excessive water retention too? I have nolva for pct but enough to use during if required
     
    Do you think Dbol would be better than any of the other drugs and would I be better off using it on the way down or once I’m down to my target bw? I should probably add the a big reason for dropping bw apart from the asthetics is that I want to be lighter to help with knee issues, I’m currently managing them but loosing weigh will likely reduce them dramatically.
     
    What is dbol like for other sides and hair loss etc?
     
     
    post edited by Bonzo - 2018/03/11 09:14:51
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/11 16:00:20 (permalink)
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    Mate I've used Halo once and had an absolutely fantastic time on it and I got STRONG. 

    I struggle with strength and struggle with mental strength, I was throwing weight on bar I've not even looked at and just knew in my mind I'd get it .. It was a fantastic feeling and I ran it for 8 weeks.

    I enjoyed it so much I've just started another halo cycle yesterday.
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/11 17:29:18 (permalink)
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    Bonzo
    Ok so using Dbol while still dropping body fat to retain muscle? I guess nolva would also combat excessive water retention too? I have nolva for pct but enough to use during if required
     
    Do you think Dbol would be better than any of the other drugs and would I be better off using it on the way down or once I’m down to my target bw? I should probably add the a big reason for dropping bw apart from the asthetics is that I want to be lighter to help with knee issues, I’m currently managing them but loosing weigh will likely reduce them dramatically.
     
    What is dbol like for other sides and hair loss etc?
     
     


    Yes dbol would also help prevent muscle loss on a deficit. Nolva doesn't do much for water retention, you'd have to use an AI for that but that would also reduce the anabolic effect and if as you say looks aren't the priority at the moment then who cares about a little water?
     
    Admittedly it won't be the best drug if you're trying to get lighter because your weight is hurting your joints. In that case use another drug or keep the dose very low. I find dbol is good is low doses, 10-20mg if it's good accurately dosed dbol, gives a nice boost with minimal sides. Some people do struggle with hair loss and other sides but you won't know until you try. 
     
    I'm not saying dbol is "better" than anavar or tbol, it's just that for the purpose you seem to want to use them those can all work just as the next one, dbol is just cheap. I don't see the reason to go for the more expensive drug unless there's a reason for, as in it does something for you the cheaper one won't. People would normally use var when they're already fairly lean, to stay lean while adding some muscle and get all hard and vascular, at 30%bf those effects will all be wasted.
    post edited by Uriel - 2018/03/11 17:32:39
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/11 20:02:32 (permalink)
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    Fair enough maybe I just go low dose dbol then, the tabs I can get are 20mg ugly so may well be underdosed to some degree. Could split the tabs and do 10mg twice daily maybe upping to 3 if I’m ok on it? Duration 6 weeks? Would it be advisable to run nolva as a precaution or just if I feel irritation?

    Still curious about epi as I know I responded ok to hdrol. With otc drugs I guess you know your getting what’s on the label?
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/11 20:12:52 (permalink)
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    Keep the nolva on stand by and take it at the first sign of trouble. I would keep the dbol at 20mg a day but up to you.
     
    Epi is not that different from hdrol or tbol really. A bit heavier on sides I think.
     
    And as far as knowing what you're getting...well I wouldn't hold my breath. There's been plenty of cases of bunk or underdosed products even with more legit supplements like whey protein, epi and other "legal steroids" are in a very grey market sort of situation and I don't think it's really that different from the situation with UGLs. There's good and bad companies out there and you should really look around forums like this one to hear people's experiences with them before you buy.
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/11 22:08:46 (permalink)
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    Think I will hold out for a bit then and give the dbol a try. Would 6 weeks be ok or would it be better to go shorter/longer?

    I will likely split a tab daily then, I know people who have used the dbol I can get and they tend to dose it at about 40-80 a day specially a mate of mine who did his first cycle on 40 a day rising to 60. Hard to say but that’s why I wonder if it’s underdosed?
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/11 23:33:52 (permalink)
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    6 weeks is a decent cycle I think, make sure to make the most of it and try to lose the weight fast, the dbol should still let you lift fairly heavy despite the deficit.
     
    I am not a happy camper at 40mg of dbol a day, lethargy and blood pressure through the roof, overnight gyno if I forget to take the nolva (I exaggerate but estrogen sides to get quite noticeable). Certainly wouldn't think of ever doing 60, if anyone says they're using that much I immediately suspect underdosed gear. Dbol was actually researched specifically for performance enhancing and proved quite effective in humans at just 10mg a day, it's strong stuff even though people don't think much of it just because it's not fancy and expensive.
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/13 08:27:02 (permalink)
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    Thanks for all of the help, just a few more questions
     
    So the Dbol I can get is 20mg tabs, they are quite small so may be difficult to split. If I can I will split the dose am on empty stomach and pm either pre workout or before main evening meal again empty stomach. Would that be the best way to dose? If I’m unable to split the tabs when would I be best taking them?
     
    What symptoms should I be looking of for where I add nolva? Would the first sign be itching? What dose nolva should I take in this event? With regard to Pct would 21 days tapering from 60 to 20 mg nolva be ok?
     
    Also noticed the nolva I have is now out of date, exp in 2013. Does it go bad or will it still be ok? Its in sealed blister packs?
     
    Thanks again
     
     
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/15 12:04:47 (permalink)
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    The only way i would be using gear with your stats is if I was using T3 and thus needed it to retain muscle. At 30% bf I dont think losing muscle is an issue during a natural cut. The losing muscle fear is exagerated in my experience and is usually mentioned mostly be people carrying a lot of excess fat when they start to panic during a cut because they are losing strength. I find these people never get lean. The fact is, you will lose strenght as you get smaller but thats not to say all your muscle is melting away...

    I get the feeling you want to do a cycle regardless, which is fine, its your decision and im sure there will be psychological/motivational bennefits if nothing else but I honestly think you would be wasting your money doing an Oral cycle. Even if muscle loss was as dramatic as people make out, how much are you gonna lose in 8-odd weeks?... **** all IMO.

    Either way, I hope your progress continues, keep us updated

      




     
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/19 18:42:58 (permalink)
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    Fair enough, want to drop some more body weight first anyway so will stick to the plan for now.
     
    Once I am back at maintenance calories I will likely look at trying some assistance. My end goal is to be strong as possible at 125kg and in reasonable shape. One goal at a time though.
     
    Thanks for the replies
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    Re: Epi, Hdrol or Anavar 2018/03/19 20:46:53 (permalink)
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    Dbol is awesome at a low dose on a cut. I did 10 weeks at 10mg which I took in the morning Monday to Friday then Saturday and Sunday I didn’t take any then back on it Monday , worked a treat one of my best cuts . High dose it awful, well it was for me
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