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2014/12/30 11:53:48 (permalink)
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Epistane - First Cycle

I know I am going to get pretty badly flamed for this post, but please bear with me.
 
I have been training for a while (10+ years); I have gone through some great patches of training and eating correctly, and also gone through some periods of training poorly and eating ****.  Now, I know what I am doing training and eating wise, have a PT that also advises me etc, and have been really on point with my training and diet for a while now. I have never done a cycle of anything before, but have done pretty much all the OTC stuff. I am looking to give myself a bit of an edge, but nothing too much, just something that is going to give me 10% extra but not go crazy.  I was just looking for some advice on the following:
 
I was planning to do 6 weeks of 10-20mg of EPI, with ZMA and Milk Thistle. Finishing with an OTC PCT. 
 
I know a lot of you guys are going to say I am a pussy for going so low, but I really don't want to go bigger than that for my first cycle. Does what I am planning to do make sense?
 
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2014/12/30 13:30:53 (permalink)
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The only thing I could think that I would change about your cycle is your pct with all pro hormones & designer steroids you must have a serm no matter what it is it will shut you down so obviously the aim is to keep as much muscle as possible afterwards so bringing your test levels up as quick as possible is the aim personally seeing it is epi correct me if I'm wrong but I would suggest nolva at 40/20/10/10 for your pct but it is your call!
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2014/12/30 21:16:48 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby newcastle 2014/12/31 11:21:23
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no serm no cycle.
epi at 20mg is a waste IMHO. There is going low and there is using an effective dose.
20mg epi will just shut you down for no added benifit.
30mg was nice apart from the joint issues.
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2014/12/31 11:25:02 (permalink)
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simonboyle
no serm no cycle.
epi at 20mg is a waste IMHO. There is going low and there is using an effective dose.
20mg epi will just shut you down for no added benifit.
30mg was nice apart from the joint issues.

10/20mg is a relatively low dose, most people go up to 30 on a first run. Did you take fish oils to help with the joints?

It is your cycle and it is completely up to you the doses you run, I think you will find you will want to increase the dose after 3 weeks or so. See how your body reacts and you will be fine.

www.shark-labs.com

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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2014/12/31 12:36:28 (permalink)
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I would go more than 20 or 30 mg with Epi
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2014/12/31 13:46:13 (permalink)
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simonboyle
no serm no cycle.
epi at 20mg is a waste IMHO. There is going low and there is using an effective dose.
20mg epi will just shut you down for no added benifit.
30mg was nice apart from the joint issues.

10/20mg is a relatively low dose, most people go up to 30 on a first run. Did you take fish oils to help with the joints?

It is your cycle and it is completely up to you the doses you run, I think you will find you will want to increase the dose after 3 weeks or so. See how your body reacts and you will be fine.

www.shark-labs.com



yes, joint supps are worthless for Epi.
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/15 20:00:58 (permalink)
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So OP... what did you settle for??

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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/16 15:52:53 (permalink)
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You can up the dose mate,20 mg is a very low dose IMHO
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/16 19:29:22 (permalink)
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Yep 40mg or 50mg



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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/19 20:10:52 (permalink)
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30mg and 45mg had very similar results for me, so don't really see the point in running any higher, I had 15mg caps. 40mg would be my highest, unless you are really tall and really large.
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/19 21:22:51 (permalink)
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Or have a high tolerance.
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/20 00:23:30 (permalink)
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Tolerance isn't an issue. Same as non responders.
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/20 08:54:25 (permalink)
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Tolerance to PED's isn't an issue on EPI?
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/20 13:39:21 (permalink)
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First show me any proof that people develop a tolerance to steroids, then we shall discuss epi.
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/20 15:43:59 (permalink)
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Well i think PH always works in every people
Maybe one user will have better gains or less,but i dont think its a big difference..
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/20 15:54:19 (permalink)
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correct
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/20 20:45:00 (permalink)
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I don't agree. You think non-responders don't exist as well?
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/20 22:02:20 (permalink)
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correct
 
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/21 08:40:42 (permalink)
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I didn't respond to SD after drastically increasing my calories. Care to explain that?
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Re: Epistane - First Cycle 2015/01/21 14:52:31 (permalink)
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I can't explain it, but my or your inability to explain something does not give credibility to bro-science. There is nothing that says someone will not respond to a specific hormone, there are variances etc, but not a zero response.
You had a sh*tty cycle, don't know why, I've had a sh*tty cycle in the past too, but does that mean you do not respond to that drug? Nope. If that were the case, you could take SD again and nothing would happen? Double the dose? Tripple it? Nothing? No response? you see what I'm getting at?
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