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2009/07/14 15:28:51 (permalink)

Epistane cycle

Hi all,
 
Im currently in my 2nd week of a 4 week epistane cycle as follows:
 
week 1: 20mg
week 2: 30mg
week 3: 40mg
week 4: 40mg
 
I am taking milk thistle and saw palmetto throughout the cycle.
 
Im allready up 2kg and according to the machine in the gym down 1.5% bf (I know this wont be accurate)
 
Im weight training 5 days a week with 10min HIIT cardio at the end of each and a further day dedicated to cardio.
 
My diet is clean. High protein, good amount of veggies and healthy fats.  I limit my carbs to breakfast, lunch and pre-post workout.
 
My aim is to cut some body fat whilst preserving muscle and maybe, just maybe add a little LBM.
 
My stats (at the moment):
 
5ft 11"
80kg
BF: 9.5%
 
My question is regarding PCT.  I know a 4 week cycle is relatively short for Epistane.
(I have access to a SERM if needed)
 
- How long would you guys recommend my PCT to be? I go on holiday 2 weeks after my epi cycle ends, will the 2 week period suffice?
 
- Will reversitol and lean xtreme be sufficent for hormonal and cortisol control? ( i have used epi before and experienced no sides or shutdown on a 4 week cycle) Although i want to keep as much of my gains as possible.
 
Thanks in advance guys, i hope you can help and give an expert/experienced input to further progress my cycle.
 
 
post edited by Andywest2k1 - 2009/07/30 21:32:29
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    Daari
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/14 22:12:28 (permalink)
    2 weeks is a little short for PCT, but since you're using the epi for 4 weeks only; recovery shouldn't be too hard.  It's not difficult to hide 7 tabs of nolva/clomid in your suitcase.....
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/14 23:48:03 (permalink)
    good point!

    What do folks reckon about the reversatol and lean extreme?
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/15 23:40:23 (permalink)
    lean extreme is a good cortisol antagonist.  After a SERM, that would always be my next inclusion within PCT
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/16 00:28:03 (permalink)
    I would add I would recommend loading on creatine 5-7 days before the cycle end and holding back on stimulant use until PCT (when in addition to strength gains they could have a muscle preservation effect)



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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/17 12:11:10 (permalink)
    should i not be using creatine throughout the cycle?

    Ive been taking PHD iso-synergy 7 before and after training!
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/17 12:23:35 (permalink)
    Nothing wrong with using creatine on cycle mate - I suspect PN was suggesting it as a good addition for pct if you're not already using
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/17 12:43:25 (permalink)
    just finished epi 6 weeks went up to 50 mg ed for two weeks rest of time 30 mg ed, had no probs at all loved it .i am using revesatol for pct seems to be going well no probs  good luck mate
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/17 13:03:36 (permalink)
    Celt

    Nothing wrong with using creatine on cycle mate - I suspect PN was suggesting it as a good addition for pct if you're not already using


    Good! I was worried for a moment then, ive never heard it should be avoided whilst on epi.
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/17 13:04:49 (permalink)
    mr g

    just finished epi 6 weeks went up to 50 mg ed for two weeks rest of time 30 mg ed, had no probs at all loved it .i am using revesatol for pct seems to be going well no probs  good luck mate


    What have your gains etc been like?
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/21 16:42:16 (permalink)
    after more research ive found that most people recommend leaving cortisol control until 2 weeks into PCT. What are peoples views on this?

    Looks like its going to be reversatol for PCT with a SERM just in case, with lean extreme when i return from my holiday.  Although ill probably loose alot of mass as i wont be training for at least 10days whilst on holiday!
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/21 19:25:14 (permalink)
    Most people recommend leaving cortisol control until 2 weeks into PCT?  Never come accross this before...the earlier the better, IMO
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/22 15:43:58 (permalink)
    apparently from what i have read cortisol doesn't begin to rebound to an extent that control is necessary until about the 14day mark in PCT. 
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/23 20:41:54 (permalink)
    lean extreme


    would it do any harm to start it earlier??
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/30 11:52:50 (permalink)
    right little update.

    Into the final week of epi.  Seen great fat % decrease and increase in lean body mass.  However i must admit that my diet has been really strict throughout, and my training has been dedicated to say the least!

    Ive kept a full diary from start to finish (including doses, body parts worked, bf%, weight etc etc) and will post it in detail when i get home from work.

    Ive decided to go with Iforce Reversatol for PCT.  However my epi finishes on the 2nd aug.
    I go to Ibiza on the 12th aug. This gives me 10 days of gym time before i go. 

    I have experienced no sides at all. maybe the odd spot of acne but nothin major.  Libido has been sky high! no shrinking, no hair loss, and no joint pain.

    My question today is regarding the doseage of reversatol. I understand i need to take it as soon as i finish the epi which will be the 3rd.

    Should i just take it for the 10 days leading up to my holiday or continue to take it through the holiday even though i wont be working out for the duration. (im there for 11 nights by the way).

    Also, do i need to taper the dose at any point?

    I am wanting to keep as much of the gains as possible.

    I look forward to you replies. especially Daari who id like to thank for being helpful throughout.
    post edited by Andywest2k1 - 2009/07/30 11:54:59
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/07/30 18:25:09 (permalink)
    Right here goes with the log.

    I ran epistane as follows:

    Week1: 20mg (1st day 10mg)
    Week2: 30mg
    Week3: 40mg
    Week4: 40mg

    I am currently in the final week but will post the log so far.

    Week 1: 20mg

    Mon: 10mg pre. bi's and tri's.
    Tues: 10mg pre, 10mg post. Abs & 30min HIIT cardio.
    Wed: 10mg pre, 10mg post. Chest. 79.8kg, 9.7% bf = 7.7kg fat. (bf done on machine in gym.)
    Thurs: 10mg pre. 10mg post. Shoulders & Back.
    Fri: 10mg pre. 10mg post. Cardio (15min HIIT on each; treadmill, bike, stairmaster.
    Sat: 10mg pre. 10mg post. bi's & tri's.
    Sunday: 10mg am. 10mg PM. Rest day.

    Week 2: 30mg

    Mon: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. Chest.
    Tues: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. legs & abs & 15min stairmaster.
    Wed: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. Shoulders & Back. 78.9kg, 8.4%bf = 6.6kg fat.
    Thurs:10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. Bi's & Tri's.
    Fri: 10mg am. 10mg dinner. 10mg bed. Rest day.
    Sat: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. Cardio (as week 1)
    Sun: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. abs.

    Week 3: 40mg

    Mon: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. 10mg bed. Shoulders & back.
    Tues: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. 10mg bed. abs & legs & 15min stairmaster.
    Wed: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. 10mg bed. Chest. 80.7kg, 9.5%bf = 7.6kg bf.
    Thurs: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. 10mg bed. Bi's & tri's.
    Fri: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. 10mg bed x6 CLA spread over day in doses of 2 tabs. Cardio (as week 1)
    Sat: 10mg am. 10mg dinner. 10mg pm. 10mg bed. X6 CLA Rest day.
    Sun: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. 10mg bed. x6 CLA. Shoulders & Back.

    Week 4: 40mg

    Mon: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. 10mg bed. x6 CLA. Legs & Abs & 15min stairmaster.
    Tues: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. 10mg bed. x6 CLA. Chest.
    Wed: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. 10mg bed. x6 CLA.Bi's & tri's. 80.4kg, 7.6%bf = 6.1kg bf.
    Thurs: 10mg am. 10mg pre. 10mg post. 10mg bed. x6 CLA. abs & legs & 15min stiarmaster.

    Thats were im upto now guys.

    I would still like any thoughts on my above post regarding reversatol dosing.






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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/08/03 13:36:07 (permalink)
    no one?
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/08/03 13:40:44 (permalink)
    Andywest2k1

    after more research ive found that most people recommend leaving cortisol control until 2 weeks into PCT. What are peoples views on this?

    Looks like its going to be reversatol for PCT with a SERM just in case, with lean extreme when i return from my holiday.  Although ill probably loose alot of mass as i wont be training for at least 10days whilst on holiday!


    Yes you are rigth although that is mainly based on financial reasons to save it for when cortisol spikes the most. I would say you want to start one week into PCT and personally for the other recomping effects I prefer it immediately after cycle like Daari.

    By the way I Force in the USA mentioned you were asking them about their products on their forum so if you are unsure on any specifics please let me know so I can clear it up for you.

    Reggie
    post edited by PredatorNutrition - 2009/08/03 13:42:12



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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/08/03 15:21:13 (permalink)
    gains have been realy good strength very good size good and put on 10 lbs 90% lean muscle loved it . just finishing pct reversatol no problms at all verysmooth and easy , found it to be a very pleasent rewording cycle,bench press went through the roof and still there havent lost a pound in weirht or strength .hope u have a good cycle with no probs like i did!!!
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    Re:Epistane cycle 2009/08/03 20:48:55 (permalink)
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    Andywest2k1

    after more research ive found that most people recommend leaving cortisol control until 2 weeks into PCT. What are peoples views on this?

    Looks like its going to be reversatol for PCT with a SERM just in case, with lean extreme when i return from my holiday.  Although ill probably loose alot of mass as i wont be training for at least 10days whilst on holiday!


    Yes you are rigth although that is mainly based on financial reasons to save it for when cortisol spikes the most. I would say you want to start one week into PCT and personally for the other recomping effects I prefer it immediately after cycle like Daari.

    By the way I Force in the USA mentioned you were asking them about their products on their forum so if you are unsure on any specifics please let me know so I can clear it up for you.

    Reggie


    my question to iforce was regarding cortisol control.  It mentions within its product description that cortisol needs to be controlled, i simply asked what reversitol did to control this, if it did at all?

    Also, in regards to my previous posts. i know its not ideal, but i go on holiday on the 12th aug. how should i dose my reversitol? should i continue to take it on holiday even though i wont be going to the gym? or taper it upto my holiday?
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