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2008/05/16 00:40:31 (permalink)

Essential Amino Acid Powder

Anyone used this, any results. I have read that pre and post workout it can help with recovery and strength. Any truth in this ?

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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/16 02:39:08 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: cliff_vtr

    Anyone used this, any results. I have read that pre and post workout it can help with recovery and strength. Any truth in this ?


    Yes. Essential Amino Acids are THE building blocks as far as muscle regeneration is concerned. They are, majority of the time, contained in Whey Protein in reasonable amounts, but feeding the body directly around training; both pre, during and post can help you immensely. There is alot of data around, old, new and emerging highlighting that Pre and Intra supplementation can boost gains in the gym and out.

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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/16 09:45:07 (permalink)
    I am looking into them from the aspect that they create a rapid and high anablic environment compared to other sources (ie protein that needs to be broken down). Does this translate into real world results ?
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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/16 09:56:53 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: cliff_vtr

    I am looking into them from the aspect that they create a rapid and high anablic environment compared to other sources (ie protein that needs to be broken down). Does this translate into real world results ?


    Whey, for example, would need to be processed and would take slightly longer to be absorbed. EAA or BCAA or any simple form of Amino Acid would be able to reach the stream faster as they are in there basic form.

    There's alot of work and research currently being done on EAA and BCAA in sports in general and the results (many of which you can see on various Journal led sites) is extremely promising.

    But we need to caveat absorption and its speed, with what else is consumed with the EAA\BCAA\Whey as when combining multiple macronutrients, the net absorption rates have a tendency to go down.

    So in summary does it prove effective, Yes as if we can get it into the body faster during times of intense training, we can prepare the body in reacting and replenishing faster.

    Hope that helps
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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/16 12:12:34 (permalink)
    Just kill my idle curiosity where does this leave the role of whey?

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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/16 13:06:10 (permalink)
    I appreciate the absorbtion rates will be effected by what else is in the digestive tract.

    The idea would be to use EAA for pre/post workout and possibly first thing in the morning.

    Oasis: whey doesnt absorb nowhere near as fast as EAA.

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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/16 13:11:39 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: cliff_vtr

    I appreciate the absorbtion rates will be effected by what else is in the digestive tract.

    The idea would be to use EAA for pre/post workout and possibly first thing in the morning.

    Oasis: whey doesnt absorb nowhere near as fast as EAA.

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    I gathered that mate..was just curios what role was left for whey..seems bcaa do give or take the same thing..oh an by the way I've just purchased some from BSD as well..
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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/16 13:33:48 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: oasis

    Just kill my idle curiosity where does this leave the role of whey?


    Well that's a good question fella.

    I guess it all boils down to availability, cost and what you want, and the level your playing in in terms of goals, gains and current development.

    As you may know, comparing WPC or WPI for a post workout supplement aid to EAA wouldnt be ideal...for the reasons outlined. We need to get aminos into us fastest around periods of intense work on the body. Pre WO nutrition is key in this area as is stored glycogen. If you are approaching the workout in a more filled state youll be able to fire on all cylinders. The key here is what to consume to sustain that level of performance. Carbs only? Whey only? Mixture?

    An ideal mix that will deliver an excellent response would be WMS and EAA during the end of the workout, followed up by a meal \ WPC\MPC mix and some carbs......so the body is assisted in getting back to being stablised and then kicking off the repair and regeneration

    Again, data suggests that hands down EAA will provide a way better response then Whey...even WPI wouldnt be able to match it.

    So summary; Whey for intra-day protein requirements, and EAA\BCAA for pre\post...and your onto a winning combo.

    Hope that helps



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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/16 13:46:19 (permalink)
    what is the approx time frame between EAA and the next meal or the previous meal in order to maximise EAA absorbtion.

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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/16 15:58:46 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: cliff_vtr

    what is the approx time frame between EAA and the next meal or the previous meal in order to maximise EAA absorbtion.


    PWO or PRE Id say 30 mins at least...Post \ during the end you want to take advantage of uptake so a little WMS and you are done.

    Hope that helps
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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/17 03:57:39 (permalink)
    EAA's are among the most anabolic supplements we have (possibly the most). Whey is a close second.

    For more info here's a new article about optimizing our protein and amino acid use.
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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/18 15:27:29 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: David Barr

    EAA's are among the most anabolic supplements we have (possibly the most). Whey is a close second.

    For more info here's a new article about optimizing our protein and amino acid use.

    I disagree David and BSD. Whey is more anabolic since it can utilise 2 absorption mechanisms, whereas amino acids can only utilise one. For more info see my brief article: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/newsletter-0303.aspx
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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/19 17:06:56 (permalink)
    The link doesnt work

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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/19 21:55:29 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: cliff_vtr

    The link doesnt work

    cheers - it was the full stop I put in after it which blew it!

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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/19 22:07:40 (permalink)

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    Just kill my idle curiosity where does this leave the role of whey?


    I guess it all boils down to availability, cost and what you want, and the level your playing in in terms of goals, gains and current development.



    And thats why I will stick to my whey

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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/20 07:21:39 (permalink)

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    ORIGINAL: oasis

    Just kill my idle curiosity where does this leave the role of whey?


    I guess it all boils down to availability, cost and what you want, and the level your playing in in terms of goals, gains and current development.



    And thats why I will stick to my whey


    Cant disagree with you there! Cost wise its just not possible to consume it like whey unfortunately
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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/20 21:33:39 (permalink)
    James I totally agree, but I think we have to qualify that statement. If we're looking at PeptoPro or another low MW hydrolysate, it's probably going to be more anabolic because of the transport benefits (which is what your article mentions).

    That said, 99.9% of people are using a whey isolate, concentrate, or a blend, where digestion becomes an issue.

    We're on the same page, no question.

    ORIGINAL: James

    I disagree David and BSD. Whey is more anabolic since it can utilise 2 absorption mechanisms, whereas amino acids can only utilise one. For more info see my brief article: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/newsletter-0303.aspx
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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/21 00:16:15 (permalink)
    hydrolysate seems to be high in lactose.

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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/21 00:28:52 (permalink)
    I am thinking of trying the EAAs, 5g pre workout, 5g post with some dextrose. I train twice a week so thats 20g a week, it I got 500g thats nearlt 6months worth, so not too bad.

    I usually train for 2-3hrs each session so would EAAs be beneficial during training ?

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    RE: Essential Amino Acid Powder 2008/05/21 09:13:07 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: cliff_vtr

    I am thinking of trying the EAAs, 5g pre workout, 5g post with some dextrose. I train twice a week so thats 20g a week, it I got 500g thats nearlt 6months worth, so not too bad.

    I usually train for 2-3hrs each session so would EAAs be beneficial during training ?


    They would definately be beneficial but you would be surprised how much you really need. Your 5g pre and 5g post is an excellent starting point. We have had people take upwards of 40g 20/20 but equally they are competing bodybuilders.

    In terms of intra training - there are a few things that would determine requirements; intensity, style of training, total work performed, etc. But in general as long as the body has a consistent fuel source and your insulin levels are not peak and troughing you will be good to go as your starting base.

    Hope the helps!
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