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2007/06/20 14:56:47 (permalink)
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F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack

As far as I know I should be having:
Agenine
Creatine
Taurine

on an empty stomach about an hour before training, which is what I am doing. I sometimes have a protien shake 1/2 hour prior to my training.

My question is what can I have anything after training i.e Protein etc? This is the only bit which am not understanding about the stack.

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    Osagi
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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/20 15:18:15 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: sl

    My question is what can I have anything after training i.e Protein etc? This is the only bit which am not understanding about the stack.


    Okay mate, I understand your question and the cause of your confusion.

    Basically you can have anything you want after your workout;

    The whole empty stomach thing and the advice to avoid consuming protein or amino acids at the same time as the stack only applies to when you actually consume the stack. The idea being to take the stack on an empty stomach and apart from protein containing foods in order to avoid competition for absorbtion and help speed the active ingredients through your stomach and into your blood stream that little bit faster.

    However this process only takes about 30 minutes, hence the reason why it's ok to consume a small protein and carb stack prior to your workout approx 30 minutes after taking the stack without having to worry about impeding the stacks effectiveness as by that point the active ingredients should already have passed through your stomach.

    So seeing as it's okay to start consuming protein and aminos 30 minutes after the stack, come the end of your workout there's absolutely no restriction on what you eat, obviously however you should eat with your goals in mind (cutting, bulking, recovery, etc).

    In fact I have to say, if in using this stack it in any way encroached upon your post workout nutrition I'd recommend not taking in the firs tplace it as the pwo meal is the most important meal in a bodybuilders day. Absolutely essential.

    Hope that clears thing sup for you.

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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/24 21:25:05 (permalink)
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    Cheers Osagi! That has cleared it up! I will keep you updated how I get on
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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/24 21:45:57 (permalink)
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    Have been faithfully following the 'Osagi' stack for about 2 months, and without a doubt there is a noticeable difference between taking it and not taking it in terms of the 'pump' and ability to grind out an extra rep or two.

    Recently have mixed the stack with a can of Red Bull (sugar free) rather than water, not for any particular reason other than curiosity - and I think that also gives a slight extra edge in terms of grinding out additional weight or extra reps (could be a placeabo effect though).

    Osagi - in your view, would the caffeine in the Red Bull theoretically neutralise the Argine in the stack, or would you see the Red Bull as a useful additional to your ingredients?

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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/24 21:47:56 (permalink)
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    Osagi, do you know if MP plan on adding this, or something similar, to their product list?
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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/24 23:12:16 (permalink)
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    Agenine
    Creatine
    Taurine

    Cant you get them in pill form? saves a lot of time from mixin and the disgusting tastes!

    Stack One
    --
    Designer Supplements Basic Cuts

    Stack Two
    --
    11 OXO
    6 OXO

    Stack Three
    --
    AX MassFX
    AX HyperdrolX2
    AX Retain2
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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/25 01:24:25 (permalink)
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    just to throw my hat in the ring, my stack for a while now has been

    arg
    citruline
    creatine
    taurine
    beta alanine

    some times mix with a red bull rip off ( asdas' own blue charge, diet, same ingredients, but 24p a can, bargain!)

    this stack works a treat!
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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/25 01:51:49 (permalink)
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    damn, so many supps
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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/25 16:59:41 (permalink)
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    Whats the deal with taking beta alanine and taurine together?

    Has that been proved to be ok now? I thought they competed against each other??


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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/26 00:01:47 (permalink)
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    yeah they do, but the amount you would need to take to have them cancel each other out is really high, we are talking a couple of grams each, max, they will be absorbed fine.
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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/26 01:48:23 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: thesld

    yeah they do, but the amount you would need to take to have them cancel each other out is really high, we are talking a couple of grams each, max, they will be absorbed fine.


    Do you have some research or quantative data you can share with us supporting this statement thesld?

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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/26 19:40:43 (permalink)
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    not to hand, but it is out there, just remember that because something competes does not mean that one or the other does not get absorbed, think of two guys trying to get through the same door, does that mean only one will get through? nope, just needs to wait until the other is gone then he can get through, way over simplified but just getting the point across. and with the rate of absorbtion of most aminos being in the region of 1.2 grams per min, then a dose of about two to three grams of each is not going to be hanging around in the stomach for a great deal of time anyway, not even long enough for degradation to happen.also consider that all aminos compete with something or another amino for absorbtion, it doesn't mean they will not get absorbed, its just competition, not blocking. think of protein, that gets broken down into aminos before absorbtion, and the average for BBs is 40g at a go, so its not like they are all being wasted due to competition. its just a case of someone getting a piece of info and running in the wrong direction with it, yes competition does happen with aminos but this does not mean they are not absorbed. talk to a reputable nutritionist or doctor who has some knowledge of these things and they will tell you the same.

    i did have an article somewhere about the amounts needed for blocking to happen, as in one amino to take up all possible spaces etc. i cant find it, so wont give a figure, but it was in excess of 20grams of one specific amino to block. if i can find it i'll post it up


    obviously this does not mean you should start slamming 100s of grams of aminos, there is an uper limit, but a dose of about 15grams of a combination of Arg, Cit taurine beta alanine and creatine is fine.

    if anyone has info to dispute this then please, post it.

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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/26 21:07:42 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: thesld

    not to hand, but it is out there, just remember that because something competes does not mean that one or the other does not get absorbed, think of two guys trying to get through the same door, does that mean only one will get through? nope, just needs to wait until the other is gone then he can get through, way over simplified but just getting the point across. and with the rate of absorbtion of most aminos being in the region of 1.2 grams per min, then a dose of about two to three grams of each is not going to be hanging around in the stomach for a great deal of time anyway, not even long enough for degradation to happen.also consider that all aminos compete with something or another amino for absorbtion, it doesn't mean they will not get absorbed, its just competition, not blocking. think of protein, that gets broken down into aminos before absorbtion, and the average for BBs is 40g at a go, so its not like they are all being wasted due to competition. its just a case of someone getting a piece of info and running in the wrong direction with it, yes competition does happen with aminos but this does not mean they are not absorbed. talk to a reputable nutritionist or doctor who has some knowledge of these things and they will tell you the same.

    i did have an article somewhere about the amounts needed for blocking to happen, as in one amino to take up all possible spaces etc. i cant find it, so wont give a figure, but it was in excess of 20grams of one specific amino to block. if i can find it i'll post it up


    obviously this does not mean you should start slamming 100s of grams of aminos, there is an uper limit, but a dose of about 15grams of a combination of Arg, Cit taurine beta alanine and creatine is fine.

    if anyone has info to dispute this then please, post it.

    S


    very good post. Yes thats what happens. All that will happen is one gets absorbed before the other.

    BTW you have a great stack in the previous post.

    The only thing id add is Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine but that stuff is expensive.
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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/26 21:17:25 (permalink)
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    Interesting stuff!

    Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine - How come you take this? is it supposed to help increase GH levels?

    I have another post going, http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_1946297/tm.htm
    Do you think id be ok taking the beta alanine and leucine PWO as well as my energy stack + beta alanine pre workout?


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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/26 21:40:39 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: WeeMuscle

    Interesting stuff!

    Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine - How come you take this? is it supposed to help increase GH levels?

    I have another post going, http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_1946297/tm.htm
    Do you think id be ok taking the beta alanine and leucine PWO as well as my energy stack + beta alanine pre workout?



    I havent taken it yet but I have yet to see negative feedback on it. Alpha-GPC increases strength, lowers fat, increases focus besides GH increase. Currently though, its speculative on how it works.

    I've spoken tro Balcombe of AEN in the past about it (straight talk, no advertsing) and it seems to be a great ingredient.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1577400&dopt=Abstract

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1319912&dopt=Abstract


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    RE: F.A.O Osagi - Osagi Stack 2007/06/27 22:16:43 (permalink)
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    have looked at that before, but it expensive and not many reviews, cause of the cost id imagine. $65 for 150g now though on bulknutrition.com, so at a gram a day its not really that expensive. might try it in a while.
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