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2007/06/18 14:01:49 (permalink)
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Fat what do you think?

Do you feel that people that are very over weight ,thru non medical reasons are causing themseleves to be self disabled
i.e out of breath,lack of mobility etc etc

do you pity these people or think it serves them right?


What is your view point?
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    AZLAN
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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 14:14:58 (permalink)
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    I think it depends on circumstance.

    Sometimes the parents are to blame.

    Sometimes I think it can be considered a mental illness requiring treatment.

    But sometimes I think you come across obese people who only have themselves to blame but will blame absolutely everything else before than admitting its down to them...in this case it serves them right imo.
    post edited by AZLAN - 2007/06/18 14:15:31
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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 14:24:42 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: knoxville

    do you pity these people or think it serves them right?


    Neither to be honest.

    My opinions will differ from person to person. If the individual is not really bothered and is at ease with their weight then fair enough.

    On the other hand, if they are the type that are not happy with themselves yet stuff down McDonalds then order a 'diet' coke and complain they can't lose weight ....those people i have little time for.
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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 14:25:28 (permalink)
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    tough question but me being a former heavyweight ill try and answer as best i can. It is self inflicted to a degree as what you put in your mouth is entirely your choice, but it also does depend on knowledge of nutrition or in my case when i was big a lack of it. If you dont know how to feed yourself healthily and are unhappy about the way you look then do research, join a library and start studying. If you do know what you are doing and choose to stuff yourself silly with god knows what then yes i feel sorry for these people.

    If you want something i n life but your current health status is holding you back , do something about it and dont sit there whining abotu your genetics or my personal fav is "it runs in the family". I know of very few medical conditions where chronic obesity is part of. EOD if you feel confortable in your own skin then great, if not do something about it as i did. I will never say or think to someone who is essentially self harming it serves them right as we are all human beings and i do not take pleasure in seeing anybody or anything suffer unecessarily
    post edited by theiopener - 2007/06/18 14:27:11
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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 14:28:58 (permalink)
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    I think that Self Disabled is a bit of an OTT way to describe it, at least for all other than the drastically morbidly obese - as a fat bloke myself at the deeper end of the scales i can sympathise with all the excuses that overweight people use but i'm afraid my sympathy only goes as far as to not be nasty about it. Being overweight is very rarely a genuine genetic/hereditary and unsolvable problem and far to many excuses are bandied about byt people who just lack the decidication to sort the problem out.

    I don't pity anybody unless they really do have a problem and cannot solve it through applying a few basic rules; eat less do more! It's hard and it's upsetting to people because it's a slow change. Changing your personality if you don't like something about yourself is hard because you need to change a pattern set in yourself but you can see quicker results than trying to lose weight as it is IMO much more gradual.

    Unpopular as it is i think that the overweight, smokers, drinkers, people who get into fights (and need treatment) etc should be lower down the list in needing assistance and healthcare - but before you can apply harsh conditions like that you'd have to make sure that the support is there for people to have a chance to help themselves.

    I applud anyone who makes an effort to better themselves
    post edited by essex_chris - 2007/06/18 14:32:59
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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 14:40:51 (permalink)
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    I feel bad for the small %age for whom its genetic or hereditary...
    ...but no more or less than I do anyone who has been dealt a poor hand in life in terms of health etc.

    I feel pity and disdain for the far greater %age of people who hide behind and use this as an excuse to eat rubbish and blame their genes....
    ...but again how many people do you hear on this board saying "im a hard gainer" or "my metabolism is too high"??



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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 19:22:41 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: knoxville

    Do you feel that people that are very over weight ,thru non medical reasons are causing themseleves to be self disabled
    i.e out of breath,lack of mobility etc etc

    Yes I suppose so, if we're talking extreme obesity


    do you pity these people or think it serves them right?

    Neither


    What is your view point?

    I don't have one. I think it's a bit odd for someone to become extremely obese, but then again I think loads of things are a bit odd. Maybe other people think I'm a bit odd. Ah well, doesn't matter either way really. Live and let live
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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 19:36:04 (permalink)
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    I use the term to disabled due to the fact at my work place,there are 3-4 people who are disabled by the condition of being over weight, by this i mean effected there posture,gait and generally had a massive impact on there day to day lives

    What prompted me to mention it was that,a young lad at work who is disabled,from a childhood condition,said to me "that makes me sick .i have no option but to be confined and limited with my body and i'd give anything to be able bodied,and some people just make themselves just as limited by choice,if those people dont have a medical condtion,and its just pure greed then they should be ashamed"

    Im not saying what he said was right,but it made me think so i figured id throw it open,thats all
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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 19:45:21 (permalink)
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    there's to many fat ba****ds in this country, every where you look people overweight.
    F**k them all, they ate there way into that shape, they 've all heard the problems that comes with being overweight.
    so live with it!!!

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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 19:58:56 (permalink)
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    Funny how people call alcoholism a disease yet shun obese people.

    One abuses alcohol by regularly drinking excessive amounts.

    The other abuses food by eating excessive amounts.

    Sure alcoholism is sad and is a disease, I don't drink alcohol, but I love food. If I didn't train I would be very overweight! lol. Food is an addiction for me, like a drug, especially certain types of food.

    To get off alcohol takes a lot of work, to get off of a bad diet when you've been eating like that for years also takes a lot of work!

    I'm not trying to defend people for getting fat, I just think people should think more rationally about it - why is one excessive thing a disease and not another, when clearly both are addictive?!

    I'm not addicted to alcohol, doesn't interest me either, but am addicted to food in senses (could be moreso if I wasn't careful). Others may be addicted to alcohol but not too bothered about food. But I bet most people here would be more supportive of a thin alcoholic than a fat person who gorges on junk food!!

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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 20:45:18 (permalink)
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    there are varying issues as to why some people become overweight ,depression etc,i dont feel i am either qualified nor know enough about individuals to make any kind of judgement.
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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 20:48:36 (permalink)
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    Agreed just the lad at works statement made me try to see it from another angle,imo an addiction is an addiction and i think its all bit by bit and they just slip into it
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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 20:48:43 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: tipex

    there's to many fat ba****ds in this country, every where you look people overweight.
    F**k them all, they ate there way into that shape, they 've all heard the problems that comes with being overweight.
    so live with it!!!


    True words.
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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 21:38:09 (permalink)
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    I do symapthise to a degree but it does annoy me when really overweight people, who aren't happy with themselves, continue to gorge on McDonalds and do zero to help themselves.

    If you don't want to do anything about it stop bloody whinging !

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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 21:44:05 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: mad_cereal_lover
    One abuses alcohol by regularly drinking excessive amounts.

    The other abuses food by eating excessive amounts.


    You make some good points but i think you can differentiate between people who just eat too much and people who suffer from a food addiction, just like you can differentiate between people who drink a lot but are not necessarily alcoholics. There is a line which separates the two imo.

    In fact maybe there isn't an it's just an artificial distinction i'm making

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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 21:56:50 (permalink)
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    I do pity them, and feel sorry for them because I think it is more of a personality and confidence thing, low self confidence and turning to something that makes them feel good ie food. For some people its drugs or alcohol but for these people its food and they find it very hard to break the cycle so to speak. IMO only a small percentage of obese people are just lazy excuse makers who I wouldn't feel sorry for...
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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 21:58:34 (permalink)
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    Well put Nail,I feel pretty much the same,just this chaps viewpoint took me by surprise
    But we sure are heading the way of America
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    RE: Fat what do you think? 2007/06/18 22:05:29 (permalink)
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    there's to many fat ba****ds in this country, every where you look people overweight.
    F**k them all, they ate there way into that shape, they 've all heard the problems that comes with being overweight.
    so live with it!!!


    There are plenty of hard working, decent people who are fat. The best worker on my shift is very fat but he's a great lad and I dont see why some people have such extreme views on fat people.Whats the big problem


    MCL - good post

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