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2015/03/03 09:01:10 (permalink)
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Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking.

So all of the above have age ratings
 
Computer games, 15's and 18's
Films 15's and 18's
Smoking 18
Drinking 18
 
Why is it then that people feel it is acceptable for there 12 year old children to play 18 rated games yet they would never allow the rest.
 
Before we left the UK this was a topic I found really frustrating and my son used to get a lot of stick for not owning the COD games etc.
After he had been at a friends and played an 18 game I decided to get my own back and invited said friend round to the house.
I called his mum and said 'Matko would like Callum to come round and stay the night, is that ok?'
Callums mum 'Yes no problem I am sure he will enjoy that, what will they be up to?'
Me ' Well I have bought in some beers and I was going to watch Terminator with them'
Callums mum ' Are you serious? I don't really think that is suitable'
 
It went on a bit and I had a go about the game etc
Then I said, no they are just going to watch Thor, which is a 12 (kids were 11 at the time) and she had the cheek to say, no I don't think that is suitable.
 
What are peoples thoughts on this topic and around games, films etc
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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 09:05:05 (permalink)
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Everyone has their own ideas, thresholds, concept of right and wrong.
 
Look at all the people who massively disapprove of shop lifting but would happily illegally download pirated films/music....... me included.
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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 09:07:15 (permalink)
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Hmmm.

I think age ratings on games are right, but similarly I do think there's a difference between playing COD and watching something like Saw. I guess I'm saying I think 18 ratings on games are probably a bit OTT but there should definitely be some sort of age limit.
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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 09:07:45 (permalink)
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Everyone has their own ideas, thresholds, concept of right and wrong.
 
Look at all the people who massively disapprove of shop lifting but would happily illegally download pirated films/music....... me included.




You are right.
What is your IP address by the way?
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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 09:07:48 (permalink)
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I have a 9 year old who is always telling me about his mates playing COD, and worse than that - GTA V! I don't know whether to believe him, his mates could be talking rubbish but if its true then thats some bad parenting IMO.

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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 09:08:39 (permalink)
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I have a 9 year old who is always telling me about his mates playing COD, and worse than that - GTA V! I don't know whether to believe him, his mates could be talking rubbish but if its true then thats some bad parenting IMO.




I think you will find that it is true, parents don't seem to put computer games in the same age brackets as everything else for some reason.
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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 09:11:37 (permalink)
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There are definitely some fairly young kids playing COD online.

They're generally very annoying and pretty crap.
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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 09:16:09 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BROKEN 2015/03/03 09:39:25
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I do find it shocking that parents don't consider computer games as something which should be age rated.  I think they just see it as a game and therefore suitable for children.
 
IMO, they are more damaging than films.  The difference with a game is that you often play the part of the killer.  GTA is a perfect example due to it rewarding the player for commiting crime, murder, using drugs, etc.  In fact most games essentially cast you as a murderer and reward you accordingly, which is fine if your able to detach yourself from the on screen violence but a child who is constantly subjected to that? Makes me wonder...

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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 09:42:46 (permalink)
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I do find it shocking that parents don't consider computer games as something which should be age rated.  I think they just see it as a game and therefore suitable for children.
 
IMO, they are more damaging than films.  The difference with a game is that you often play the part of the killer.  GTA is a perfect example due to it rewarding the player for commiting crime, murder, using drugs, etc.  In fact most games essentially cast you as a murderer and reward you accordingly, which is fine if your able to detach yourself from the on screen violence but a child who is constantly subjected to that? Makes me wonder...




Great post Stinky,
This is exactly it, watching a film, you are watching and thus in a passive state.
playing a game, you are playing thus are active and making decisions about things.
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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 11:56:40 (permalink)
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There's nothing wrong with computer games as long as parents are responsible and are there to put them in perspective. I wouldn't want a kid playing GTA too young, but there are games out there that have just as much artistic merit as any movie (Bioshock, or Half Life 2, for example), which I wouldn't wish to deprive a child of any more than I'd deprive them of any classic film that would otherwise be considered a bit violent but is justified in its overall artistic merit.

By contrast I wouldn't want my kid playing COD because it's mindless, but not because it's violent per se.

Blaming violence on computer games is just another cop out to allow sh1t parents to blame something else for their sh1t children.

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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 11:58:49 (permalink)
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There's nothing wrong with computer games as long as parents are responsible and are there to put them in perspective. I wouldn't want a kid playing GTA too young, but there are games out there that have just as much artistic merit as any movie (Bioshock, or Half Life 2, for example), which I wouldn't wish to deprive a child of any more than I'd deprive them of any classic film that would otherwise be considered a bit violent but is justified in its overall artistic merit.

By contrast I wouldn't want my kid playing COD because it's mindless, but not because it's violent per se.

Blaming violence on computer games is just another cop out to allow sh1t parents to blame something else for their sh1t children.



So would you let a 13 year old play Bioshock?
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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 12:11:00 (permalink)
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There's nothing wrong with computer games as long as parents are responsible and are there to put them in perspective. I wouldn't want a kid playing GTA too young, but there are games out there that have just as much artistic merit as any movie (Bioshock, or Half Life 2, for example), which I wouldn't wish to deprive a child of any more than I'd deprive them of any classic film that would otherwise be considered a bit violent but is justified in its overall artistic merit.

By contrast I wouldn't want my kid playing COD because it's mindless, but not because it's violent per se.

Blaming violence on computer games is just another cop out to allow sh1t parents to blame something else for their sh1t children.



So would you let a 13 year old play Bioshock?


Yeah, why not? I would expect that by the age of 13 my child would be intelligent enough to understand to take computer games for what they are, just another form of media, and to appreciate the game for its many many attributes besides violence.

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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 12:12:02 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BROKEN 2015/03/03 12:18:53
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CitizeKane, I'm not sure anybody is blaming violence on games or trying to prevent kids playing games, but just that they should be treated by the general public with the same respect as films and other media, which they not (even though the law stipulates that they should be).
 
Computer games can be an incredibly artistic and rewarding experience to growing children, but like films, they can also be something entirely different.

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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 12:18:41 (permalink)
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There's nothing wrong with computer games as long as parents are responsible and are there to put them in perspective. I wouldn't want a kid playing GTA too young, but there are games out there that have just as much artistic merit as any movie (Bioshock, or Half Life 2, for example), which I wouldn't wish to deprive a child of any more than I'd deprive them of any classic film that would otherwise be considered a bit violent but is justified in its overall artistic merit.

By contrast I wouldn't want my kid playing COD because it's mindless, but not because it's violent per se.

Blaming violence on computer games is just another cop out to allow sh1t parents to blame something else for their sh1t children.



So would you let a 13 year old play Bioshock?


Yeah, why not? I would expect that by the age of 13 my child would be intelligent enough to understand to take computer games for what they are, just another form of media, and to appreciate the game for its many many attributes besides violence.



And watch hardcore porn, drink alcohol in moderation
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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 12:29:36 (permalink)
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Exactly, another form of media.  And any media can be suitable or unsuitable to a 13 year old, except the difference with a game is that the audience becomes the perpetrator so emotional involvement can potentially be increased (usually to good effect).
 
This can be observed now that realism in rendering has become almost photo realistic.  Action games are more exciting than action films, horror games are more frightenening.

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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 12:30:11 (permalink)
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CitizeKane, I'm not sure anybody is blaming violence on games or trying to prevent kids playing games, but just that they should be treated by the general public with the same respect as films and other media, which they not (even though the law stipulates that they should be).
 
Computer games can be an incredibly artistic and rewarding experience to growing children, but like films, they can also be something entirely different.


True, but I think it's the parents' job to contextualise them, not let them get carried away with them, etc. and to teach them that simulated violence in the context of a game is one thing but that violence is ultimately a bad thing that should be discouraged. If a child is influenced more by a video game than the values taught to him by his parents, then I would suggest this is an issue with the parents far more than the video game!

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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 12:44:29 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BROKEN 2015/03/03 12:45:29
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CitizeKane, I'm not sure anybody is blaming violence on games or trying to prevent kids playing games, but just that they should be treated by the general public with the same respect as films and other media, which they not (even though the law stipulates that they should be).
 
Computer games can be an incredibly artistic and rewarding experience to growing children, but like films, they can also be something entirely different.




Agreed Dylan.  One of my brothers won't let his 9y.o son/my nephew play an 18 game I downloaded (without remembering they have classifications for games as they do films), yet we all sat down to watch 'The Purge' and the sequel.   Personally I don't agree with fare THAT meaty being shown to kids so young, but he definitely got the message that humans have a dark side, and that's why the film was BS - the govt would never implement such a night on home soil (though the cynic in me feels that war is how society, or rather the governments, periodically flush out their most unsavoury citizenry anyway).
 
Media containing violence can fall just about anywhere on that spectrum between the extremes of warning, and encouragement (ok there are greater extremes but still).  As you say, I think violent FPS (first person shooter) games encourage violence, and the higher-res/more lifelike, the more encouragement. 
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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 12:44:43 (permalink)
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KitizenKane, True, but why would you treat a game any different than a film?  Would you allow a child to play a game which contains hardcore pornography or graphic violence and explain to them that it's not real?  Then allow them to watch a porn film or cannibal holocaust with their mates?
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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 12:51:37 (permalink)
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And watch hardcore porn, drink alcohol in moderation


Not remotely the same thing.

Underage drinking can result in actual physical damage.

As for porn, I'll admit I watched a bit when I was quite young (maybe not quite 13) and it did me no harm - I have a very healthy sex life now and (unlike a lot of people on this forum based on some recent threads!) a healthy respect for the opposite gender! I still wouldn't want a young teenager doing it (even though that's highly hypocritical of me), but that's because it's far harder for parents to contextualise sexuality, something which is a lot more complicated than simulated violence and of which a young teenager will have far less understanding, and taken out of context therefore could be a lot more damaging to emotional development.

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Re: Films, Computer Games, Smoking and Drinking. 2015/03/03 12:53:28 (permalink)
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KitizenKane, True, but why would you treat a game any different than a film?  Would you allow a child to play a game which contains hardcore pornography or graphic violence and explain to them that it's not real?  Then allow them to watch a porn film or cannibal holocaust with their mates?


I wouldn't treat them differently though! I wouldn't want a child playing a game with gratuitous violence or sexuality any more than watching a film with gratuitious violence or sexuality, but theres a difference between that and games or movies which have some aspects of violence or sexuality but are otherwise legitimate pieces of art in themselves (I wouldn't say Cannibal Holocaust is, it's more like a snuff film). So really I think it's just a matter of degree, but I would treat games the same way as films.
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