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Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol

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Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol

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A friend of mine has decided to use Superdrol or perhaps PheraPlex for his very first cycle. I've tried to talk him out of it and try HDrol or Epi for his first but he's not going to listen to me! So I'm asking FS as I know he's cycled both, but also anyone else who has cycled Phera and Sdrol. How would you compare the two in terms of sides, gains, length of permissible cycle (IIRC SD can only be run for 3 weeks? What about PP?) and so on. If I can't help him decide to run a cycle of something milder first time out then perhaps I can help him choose the better of the two stronger choices!

His main goals are strength gain, closely followed by size. He's into powerlifting in a big way. He mainly trains BLDL, Squat, and Bench - multiple sets of triples (Never seen him curl). Eats like a horse and is pretty darn big already!

In fact I do remember seeing him curl once, he was spotting a smaller guy who was Benching about 60Kg. The guy went to failure and my mate did about 5 curls with it - just for a laugh!

Views on the relative merits of PP vs. SD please?

fah_gedda_boudit: "At the end of the day I don't think it really matters what it tastes like. If the liquid stuff is what you can get, well ger'it down yer neck & cowboy up"
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/22 10:36:14 (permalink)
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    Hi mate

    Both are good for strength, SD slightly better imo. PP is good for up to 6 weeks, whereas sd really is a 3 weeker with little benefit to running any further. Suggested first cycles in my article, PP at 30mg for 4-6 weeks or SD at 20mg for 3; if your mate is a very big guy, ie 240lbs+ then even for a first cycle he may wish to look at upping dosage to 45mg PP later in a cycle or 30mg in week 3 on SD.

    Neither of them cause water retention for me, but then I do take in a huge amount of water when on cycle. Liver protection recommended on both as is upping good fat intake. I think PP is very much a feel good compund whereas SD can make you lethargic by week 3.

    In short, both very good for strength and size IMO, just a case of how long he might want to be on cycle.
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/22 14:12:08 (permalink)
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    I have used both.

    Being on phera was a more pleasant feeling for me personally. It's just too androgenic for me, i'm prone to MPB

    I would say that 45mg phera gave me the same strength gains as 30mg SD but without the crippling back and shin pumps

    FYI - my second cycle of phera gave me slight gyno, which went away though after I used dostinex
    post edited by Abdul - 2008/05/22 14:13:18
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/22 15:10:20 (permalink)
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    Was a bit surreal seeing my name in the thread title lol.

    As mentioned above SD can only realistically be ran for 3 weeks; anything longer than that and the sides to gains ratio becomes quite severe. SD does give better strength and size gains than PP, however it is only a marginal amount.

    Would this be his first cycle? I started doing crossover cycles a while back and I found them to be quite good. Something like: SD weeks 1-3, PP weeks 3-6. I'm not sure I would recommend this as a first cycle though to be honest.
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/22 17:13:24 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: firest0rm

    Was a bit surreal seeing my name in the thread title lol.



    Err, well your impressive experience with these compounds has sort of made you one of my heroes on this board. Both you and Adil are top blokes in my opinion and I respect your relative opinions. What I also like about you is that you have a more 'restrained' or 'conservative' approach rather than the take as much as your body will handle approach to these things.

    Having said that, this being the internet, you could very well be a nine year old girl who has never touched a weight, let alone a steroid! And Adil could actually be a typing-Lion!

    BTW, when's your next bf% assessment? And, how you having it measured - 3 or 7 point caliper method or bioimpedance?

    fah_gedda_boudit: "At the end of the day I don't think it really matters what it tastes like. If the liquid stuff is what you can get, well ger'it down yer neck & cowboy up"
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/22 17:22:01 (permalink)
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    Aww thank you :) And the members from here who've met me in real life can confirm I'm not a 9 year old girl :P

    And my bf measurement is on Saturday. It'll be done with the machine at Tesco simply because that's how I've been measuring it the last few weeks, so even though in itself it may be inaccurate, the fact I've been using it the same time and day each week adds to the accuracy, if you get me. I will also do a bodyfat caliper measurement, both 3point and 7point as well. I did the 3point last week and it came back I was 12.5% bodyfat, which I'm positive is too generous.
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/22 18:43:42 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: firest0rm

    Aww thank you :) And the members from here who've met me in real life can confirm I'm not a 9 year old girl :P

    And my bf measurement is on Saturday. It'll be done with the machine at Tesco simply because that's how I've been measuring it the last few weeks, so even though in itself it may be inaccurate, the fact I've been using it the same time and day each week adds to the accuracy, if you get me.


    Yes, it might not be an accurate reading per se, but as you're actually interested in the CHANGE in bf% that probably is accurate. The correct terminology is that the machine is probably inaccurate but is precise in its measurements.

    Out of interest how many BF% have you lost in comparison to the number of Kg you've lost?

    ORIGINAL: firest0rm
    I will also do a bodyfat caliper measurement, both 3point and 7point as well. I did the 3point last week and it came back I was 12.5% bodyfat, which I'm positive is too generous.


    Yeah, you're pinching too tightly mate! "I HAVE lost fat this week, I HAVE!!"

    fah_gedda_boudit: "At the end of the day I don't think it really matters what it tastes like. If the liquid stuff is what you can get, well ger'it down yer neck & cowboy up"
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/23 10:50:17 (permalink)
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    i personally prefer superdrol as gains for me on it came easier than PP, though SD is more harsh on the system and shuts you down terribly ! well it did to me. guess each person is different but my choice is SD for best gains
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/23 14:44:21 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: JingPuerh
    A friend of mine has decided to use Superdrol or perhaps PheraPlex for his very first cycle. I've tried to talk him out of it and try HDrol or Epi for his first but he's not going to listen to me!
    Can I ask why?
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/23 15:02:10 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: fah_gedda_boudit


    ORIGINAL: JingPuerh
    A friend of mine has decided to use Superdrol or perhaps PheraPlex for his very first cycle. I've tried to talk him out of it and try HDrol or Epi for his first but he's not going to listen to me!
    Can I ask why?



    Yes you can ask...


    I figured that if you've never done a cycle or PCT ever before in your life then it's probably better to try something a little gentler first time out.

    fah_gedda_boudit: "At the end of the day I don't think it really matters what it tastes like. If the liquid stuff is what you can get, well ger'it down yer neck & cowboy up"
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/23 15:11:20 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: JingPuerh


    ORIGINAL: firest0rm

    Aww thank you :) And the members from here who've met me in real life can confirm I'm not a 9 year old girl :P

    And my bf measurement is on Saturday. It'll be done with the machine at Tesco simply because that's how I've been measuring it the last few weeks, so even though in itself it may be inaccurate, the fact I've been using it the same time and day each week adds to the accuracy, if you get me.


    Yes, it might not be an accurate reading per se, but as you're actually interested in the CHANGE in bf% that probably is accurate. The correct terminology is that the machine is probably inaccurate but is precise in its measurements.

    Out of interest how many BF% have you lost in comparison to the number of Kg you've lost?

    ORIGINAL: firest0rm
    I will also do a bodyfat caliper measurement, both 3point and 7point as well. I did the 3point last week and it came back I was 12.5% bodyfat, which I'm positive is too generous.


    Yeah, you're pinching too tightly mate! "I HAVE lost fat this week, I HAVE!!"


    lol

    In January I started out at approx 21%, and I was 14st 10lbs.

    Saturday just gone I was 15.3% and 14st 6lbs. So that's an almost 6% drop in bodyfat, and only 4lb drop in weight.

    My bodyfat reduction, from 17% to now, has been slow, but my goal wasn't just to drop bodyfat it was to retain as much muscle mass as possible while dropping it.
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/23 15:41:18 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: JingPuerh


    ORIGINAL: fah_gedda_boudit


    ORIGINAL: JingPuerh
    A friend of mine has decided to use Superdrol or perhaps PheraPlex for his very first cycle. I've tried to talk him out of it and try HDrol or Epi for his first but he's not going to listen to me!
    Can I ask why?



    Yes you can ask...


    I figured that if you've never done a cycle or PCT ever before in your life then it's probably better to try something a little gentler first time out.
    Fair enough, & that is the reason I suspected. Nothing wrong with that at all mate.

    However, one thing I will say is that of the people I know who have ran one or both of these compounds, none of them would consider them as "harsh" by any means, although it is something people do like to say as such on forums.

    As for your original Q: either would be a good option for his first cycle IMO. In terms of strength gains (which I am taking to be his main priority), IMO this is a very individual thing, & no one can say for definite which will be better in this regard. Best answer is to try both separately really.
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/23 17:15:01 (permalink)
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    I printed this thread off and showed my mate. He's most tempted to do 6 weeks on PP rather than 3 on SD. His reasoning is even if strength gains are marginally better on SD he'll be able to use PP for twice as long!

    Thanks guys.. (should be starting my own 5 week H-drol Cycle mid-July - watch this space!)

    fah_gedda_boudit: "At the end of the day I don't think it really matters what it tastes like. If the liquid stuff is what you can get, well ger'it down yer neck & cowboy up"
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    RE: Firest0rm: Or others who've run both, Views on PheraPlex vs. Superdrol 2008/05/23 17:54:34 (permalink)
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    By the sounds of it your mate has made his mind up and IMO it is the best one based on his logic.

    I am using PP atm and started off at 30mged and just bumped it upto 45mg ed this week and the only sides I have had to report so far is greasier skin, a few spots and Im drinking boat loads of water.

    Strength gains are good as is my general mood so Celt is sport on with his assessment of PP id say.
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