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2005/07/29 11:53:25 (permalink)
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First Course Advice

Right,

Seriously contemplating doing a first course. I know alot of you would try and persuade me not to but I would appreciate your help.

Firstly, this is the course that has been offered/suggested to me. My intentions are to do one course only and leave it there. Is this do-able as I don't want to be a steroid user for very long. The course is:

Test MSA
Deca
Anadrol (Spellings?)

Injections would be 4 times a week. Test one day, Deca the next and then the following day off and repeated for 10 weeks.

I would then use some tablets to reduce gyno development as this is something I have worried about a little since puberty.

I am currently 175lbs and 6 foot tall.

I have a diet of:
7:00 - 3 boiled eggs and protein shake
10:30 - Chicken breast/tuna with salad
12:30 - Tuna jacket potato + Apple/banana/pear etc.
2:30 - Chicken breast/tuna with salad (the rest of earlier)
5-6:30pm - Gym time
7:00 - Main evening meal (usually a meat with veg/potato or beans etc.)
8:00 - Protein shake
10:30 - Peanut butter on toast

and a 3 day split training programme of:

MON (back/biceps)
Deadlift 4x6-8
Chins 4x6-8
BO row 4x6-8
BB curl 3x6-8


TUES (chest/shoulders/triceps)
Bench press 4x6-8
Inc DB bench 4x6-8
Military press or DB O/H press 4x6-8
CG bench press 3x6-8


THUR (Legs/Abs)
Squat 4x6-8
SL deadlift 4x6-8
Calf raise 4x10-15
Crunches
Leg raises

So my questions are:

1. Does this course seem adequate for a first time?
2. Is it ok to do one course and then stop?
3. How much of the gain will I lose after I stop?
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    TooSmall
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/07/29 11:56:05 (permalink)
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    Can you get pct meds? Nolva, hcg, clomid etc?

    Mix the test and deca together and jab every 4 days.

    Would only take 1 anadrol tab a day, and for no more than 5-6 weeks either, they are STRONG.

    Do you KNOW this gear is real????????

    Forget Elvis, Arnie is the king.

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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/07/29 12:02:53 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: TooSmall

    Can you get pct meds? Nolva, hcg, clomid etc?

    Mix the test and deca together and jab every 4 days.

    Would only take 1 anadrol tab a day, and for no more than 5-6 weeks either, they are STRONG.

    Do you KNOW this gear is real????????


    Im pretty sure it's the real deal. My cousin has used this and he has had good results from his courses. He is going to do this as his 3rd course but just wanted to make sure it was ok for a first one.

    I like the idea of mixing it together as it would save on injections.

    What does the Anadrol actually do? I just want as much info about it all as possible before I confirm mine nd my training partners order

    Yes I can get the PCT meds, i have been told they will be with me a week later
    post edited by j28 - 2005/07/29 12:20:17
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    TooSmall
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/07/29 12:17:25 (permalink)
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    EDIT THE GUYS NAME OUT NOOOOOOOW.

    MODS WILL ROAST HIM OTHERWISE!!!!!!

    Forget Elvis, Arnie is the king.

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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/07/29 12:19:03 (permalink)
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    Doesnt say his cousin is they supplier just he knows him
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/07/29 12:19:03 (permalink)
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    I always prefer to have the pct meds before i start, just incase.

    Androl bloats you out with water and makes you really strong, its the ultimate mass gainer, but it has lots of sides and tbh 50mg is plenty on your first cycle.

    Forget Elvis, Arnie is the king.

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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/07/29 12:20:15 (permalink)
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    I didn't read it like that play, but yeah that may of been what he meant. But c'mon play, you know why i said it

    Anyway better safe than sorry eh.

    Forget Elvis, Arnie is the king.

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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/07/29 12:23:28 (permalink)
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    Yeah that was what I meant. He knows the bloke and has had good results himself so I am confident that it's genuine.

    So I me better off doing a course of Nolva first and then begin?

    As for losses after, what of my gain should I expect to lose if I never touch anything but creatine afterwards?

    Thanks for all your help
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/07/29 12:28:51 (permalink)

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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/07/30 17:07:37 (permalink)
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    So it will be ok to do one course and leave it for good?

    Is this course ok for a first and only?

    What percentage of the gains am I likely to lose after coming off?
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/07/30 18:07:52 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: j28


    So I me better off doing a course of Nolva first and then begin?



    You should read some of the articles mate!!!

    you sound like a level headed person so its just a case of understanding what you are using first before rushing into things

    how long you been training for?

    Also post your diet in the diet forum as that needs improvement carbs are quite low also not placed in optimal timeslots and some meals are poor (7:00 meal no carbs & 10:30 meal no protein)
    post edited by Ruff_D - 2005/07/30 18:30:03
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/07/30 23:09:29 (permalink)
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    To be honest mate you don't sound like you are ready to take steroids yet. It doesn't sound like you have researched them enough yet. These drugs are not to be messed with. Go and read up on them first. Find out what steroids do what, find out begginers cycles to use. Find out about PCT and also have nolva on hand for gyno. I have been training for 12-13 years and read up on steroids for about 9 months before I started using them.
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/08/01 10:28:05 (permalink)
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    For gyno reduction while on a course, is it ok to use the oral version as that seems to be all I can get hold of or would Nolvadex be far better?
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/08/01 11:24:37 (permalink)
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    J28,
    what i have found is that no matter how much you try to help people they will go ahead anyway.

    you my friend need more reading, i would strongly suggest that you do alot ,more research .

    as a first cycle i would not touch anadrol period, you have no idea what you will react like to any steroids let alone anadrol, its severly strong oral with no mention of liver protection.
    creatine for post cycle will do nothing short of hold water and your own natural test with what you proposed to ttake will be 0, so muscle loses will follow very rapidly.

    what i find is that still old schhool word of mouth is still going on in the gyms, meatheads saying yes mate take this i did etc, times have changed and sites like this give you all the info you need to do it as saftley as possible.
    to me listening to your questions i know that you really have only the basics, you really do need more info my friend.

    this is not meant as a slight on you, but anadrol are serious ****, so it has to nbe bulking with these and your diet sucks.

    please do not go ahead yet, you have a lot more to understand, aas are not the miracle body transformation overnight drugs,,,,honestly

    kev
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/08/01 11:39:10 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the reply. I have had my diet in the diet section and that was what we came up with.

    As far as they were concerned it is fine now. Ah well.

    I have been taking creatine for the last 6 months now and was not planning on stopping training post cycle.

    The reason I have been asking questions is because im trying to learn more about this.

    I am aware they are not a miracle grow but dont want to be dependant on them for ever so just wondered what will happen with only doing one cycle or would you have to take it forever to maintain any results?

    Im doing all the reading I can as that was the course that has been offered to me. I take your point about the Anadrol and will refrain from touching this.

    Thank you for your reply and help
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/08/01 12:44:00 (permalink)
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    Hey j28,
    I think your being sensible reference the anadrol my friend, the thing is with steroids is that the more you use the more you require to get the job done.

    so a good approach for a novice wood be to start of with a bread and butter cycle, nothing fancy , just to get you used to what actually happens whilst on the gear, and also because for a first cycle you will grow with little use of the gear, there are so many variables that come into play whilst your on a cycle that sometimes you just cannot plan for everything that may happen.

    you have to think about what pinn,s you need, were to inject and you have never done this before, for some it is quite a thing, and rightly so, you have to aspirate and get the right position etc

    alot of people use d-bol, i found these increased my blood pressure even though i use aromasin with every cycle i do.
    yet i can use tren with no problems, what i am trying to point out is that people react different to gear, there is no set rules.

    as for keeping the gains and not doing any other cycles, i see no reason to do just one, its like learning to drive and not take your test.
    ok i accept that you may well want to try 1 cycle, if this is the case then try something that is test based just to see who you are with injecting and side effects.

    kev
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/08/01 14:08:08 (permalink)
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    Cheers K1.

    Thanks for just giving me the answers rather than persuading me not to do it. I think I need to make my own mind up so your genuine responses are appreciated.

    The injection won't be too much of a problem as I have someone who users them already to do this.

    You say there is no reason to do just one cycle but does this mean that to remain big you would have to take them forever?

    I have been reading on a few website. Perhaps I will do a course of PCT before I do a cycle and then perhaps do a Test & Deca course and see how that goes.

    Im currently having a good read up on these substances.

    Would those two alone be ok for a first time to see how I react?

    Thanks again.

    J
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/08/01 14:22:36 (permalink)
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    my 1st course was just enanthate lol

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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/08/01 15:40:42 (permalink)
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    Yeah perhaps I should just start by trying Test and see how I react to that
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    RE: First Course Advice 2005/08/01 16:16:55 (permalink)
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    Hey J28,
    you were doing really well then untill the pct bit.

    Pct is recovery and only done after your cycle is finished, so say you were injecting test prop you would start pct (recovery) 2 days after your last injection, if it was test enanthate it would be 2 weeks after your last injection and so on depending on what gear you took.

    yes my friend i would agree with looking at another cycle design as a newby. try test as it is made by your body so at least you are putting something in that it at least familiar with.

    now keep reading and put something together for us here and the boys will fine tune it.

    kev
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